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Old 07-30-2012   #61
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How many days are we into training camp? 2-3 days? And you advocate that Justin Forsett has shown up in training camp? Trade Tate? God I hope not.
Not enough of him "showed up" at camp to be an NFL feature back. Waiting for a few more inches an 20 more pounds of him to arrive.
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James Jones reminds me of a more reliable Jacoby Jones. I don't think he's #2 material really and I wouldn't trade Tate for anything less than a sure fire #2.

Nicks and Thomas are not going to get traded.

This FO had adequate opportunity to address the issue early in the off-season, but were too worried about trying to retain Williams that the FA WR possibilities now are just...dried up and your best options are vets who don't have great histories or are washed up.

I am still pretty upset at how cheap they could've gotten Brandon Lloyd for and did nothing.
Dead wrong once.

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What are you talking about? Might wanna research those incorrect assumptions. You might be embarrassed.
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Dead wrong once.

Dead wrong again.

What are you talking about? Might wanna research those incorrect assumptions. You might be embarrassed.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/71...-st-louis-rams

Rams traded for Llyod Oct 17, Texans traded for Mason on the 12th.

http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/a...on-2214007.php

It was no secret really that Lloyd was on the trade block, Rams ended up offering a conditional 6th that could've turned into a 5th. Which I guess having a viable #2 Wasn't worth the conditional 5th.. instead we got Derrick Mason...washed up and useless for a conditional 7th. Home-run!

Far as my first assumption, I don't get what's dead wrong about it.It was well documented the Texans FO wanted to do everything possible to keep Williams and capwise were just waiting to see if they would get him back. Which, given the cap situation and what kind of contract he was likely to land... I thought it was really a longshot and they were better moving on. Mario Williams finally signed with Buffalo on March 15th... in the meantime all the legitimate WRs in FA were making moves.

Meachem - SD on March 14th
Jackson - signed with Bucs 15th
Garcon - DC on the 13th
Wayne - re-upped with Colts 13th
Mario Manningham - 18th with 49ers
Colston - re-upped with Saints

Not saying all the contracts that these WRs were given weren't bloated, but instead the FO opted to go the draft route....and even then decided to bank on middle round picks at WR.

I'm not saying it WILL, but it could come back to bite the Texans in mid-season.
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Brandon Lloyd signed with the Pats in the offseason 3yr, $12M. I don't think the Texans could have gotten him for anywhere near this price.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/...al-source-says
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Not just no but hell no.
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Justin Forsett is showing well so far in training camp. If Forsett continues to perform well and none of the young receivers step up during the preseason to show they are ready to be starters, then Texans should consider trading Ben Tate. He has high trade value with two years left on his contract and already a proven commodity in NFL. (He would likely be a 1st rounder in a re-draft).

The challenge is finding a fit at WR on another team. The following should be considered: (1) The team has to need a RB (2) their WR core has to be deep enough to trade a player (3) their WR has to be established but not expensive as our salary cap cannot handle it.

Two targets I found were Damaryius Thomas or Hakeem Nicks.

Thoughts? Any other WR to consider?
Did you try to think of it from the other team's perspective? Lemme help you out...

The Giants just won a Super Bowl with Eli throwing for 4900 yards last season and Cruz, Nicks and Manningham as their WRs. They lost Manningham in free agency, so they picked Rueben Randel to fill in as a #3. They also spent a 1st round pick on a RB David Wilson and resigned Bradshaw. So no, they are likely not in the market for a RB. Not to mention, the Texans have little capspace and Nicks' contract would put them well into the red.

The Broncos just invested a huge sum of money into Peyton Manning. Their WR corps currently is Demariyus Thomas, Andre Caldwell and crap. They have little at the position in the way of proven talent, which means they should be looking to score a WR like a Mike Wallace if one were available. They also spent a 3rd on RB Ronnie Hillman this draft and have MacGahee returning, so no they are likely not in the market for a RB. They have about 3 years to get a title with Peyton, and I doubt they are willing to part with any players at the moment, but would likely give up draft picks for proven players.

If you really want to find a trade partner for a WR, you need to find a team in rebulding mode that has a WR on a cheap contract, preferably rookie deal, that won't cost more than 3 million this year and next. We are up against the cap and have 3 premium players to re-sign for next year. The Texans are likely only able to keep 2 of them at best, so bringing in another expensive player means we might as well send an expensive one back.
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Did you try to think of it from the other team's perspective? Lemme help you out...

The Giants just won a Super Bowl with Eli throwing for 4900 yards last season and Cruz, Nicks and Manningham as their WRs. They lost Manningham in free agency, so they picked Rueben Randel to fill in as a #3. They also spent a 1st round pick on a RB David Wilson and resigned Bradshaw. So no, they are likely not in the market for a RB. Not to mention, the Texans have little capspace and Nicks' contract would put them well into the red.

The Broncos just invested a huge sum of money into Peyton Manning. Their WR corps currently is Demariyus Thomas, Andre Caldwell and crap. They have little at the position in the way of proven talent, which means they should be looking to score a WR like a Mike Wallace if one were available. They also spent a 3rd on RB Ronnie Hillman this draft and have MacGahee returning, so no they are likely not in the market for a RB. They have about 3 years to get a title with Peyton, and I doubt they are willing to part with any players at the moment, but would likely give up draft picks for proven players.

If you really want to find a trade partner for a WR, you need to find a team in rebulding mode that has a WR on a cheap contract, preferably rookie deal, that won't cost more than 3 million this year and next. We are up against the cap and have 3 premium players to re-sign for next year. The Texans are likely only able to keep 2 of them at best, so bringing in another expensive player means we might as well send an expensive one back.
This might sound sacreligious, but BoB/Rick/Gary should trade AJ and use the $$$$ saved to trade for Wallace.
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Would have been interesting to get Brandon Marshall from the phins...if we could have afforded him and if they'd have wanted Tate. Doubtful on both accounts.

I think our best bet is what we have now.
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The topic was silly the first time it was brought up, and it's just as silly being resurrected. We aren't trading Ben Tate. There's no player out there that will fit into the current Texans avaliable budget that's worth trading Ben Tate for. Besides which, who's gonna replace Tate?
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I guess the topic number changed when it was merged.(?)
Ahhh. Maybe...
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This might sound sacreligious, but BoB/Rick/Gary should trade AJ and use the $$$$ saved to trade for Wallace.
It won't save any money this year, it'll actually cost money to do that.
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I would love to get Cobb.

They will probably offer James Jones.

After much debate I would take Jones and a 4th rd pick for Tate.

This will never happen.
LZ claims the Pack offered Jones for a 5th-ish during this past draft and we turned it down.
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The topic was silly the first time it was brought up, and it's just as silly being resurrected. We aren't trading Ben Tate. There's no player out there that will fit into the current Texans avaliable budget that's worth trading Ben Tate for. Besides which, who's gonna replace Tate?
^^^ This.

Tate is an asset we cant lose right now, not this year.
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