Training Camp Live: AJ left practice

[Texecutioner]

None of this would be that big of an issue if our GM that hates free agency hadn't ignored the huge need at WR that we've had for the last 3 seasons. We have failed to address the problem and anyone who isn't brain dead knows exactly how bad this offense turns once AJ isn't out there anymore.

This may not be a big deal, but it also could be. WHo knows at this point, but this kind of thing just keeps on happening to AJ, and this franchise keeps on ignoring the glaring need we have at WR. Anyone thinking that KW is a legit #2 WR in this league needs their head examined.

[Nawzer]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

None of this would be that big of an issue if our GM that hates free agency hadn't ignored the huge need at WR that we've had for the last 3 seasons. We have failed to address the problem and anyone who isn't brain dead knows exactly how bad this offense turns once AJ isn't out there anymore.

This may not be a big deal, but it also could be. WHo knows at this point, but this kind of thing just keeps on happening to AJ, and this franchise keeps on ignoring the glaring need we have at WR. Anyone thinking that KW is a legit #2 WR in this league needs their head examined.

Well at least our jobs are not on the line if this team regresses this year. Oh wait, these guys got a new contract this year.

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

None of this would be that big of an issue if our GM that hates free agency hadn't ignored the huge need at WR that we've had for the last 3 seasons. We have failed to address the problem and anyone who isn't brain dead knows exactly how bad this offense turns once AJ isn't out there anymore.

This may not be a big deal, but it also could be. WHo knows at this point, but this kind of thing just keeps on happening to AJ, and this franchise keeps on ignoring the glaring need we have at WR. Anyone thinking that KW is a legit #2 WR in this league needs their head examined.

Not really fair TBH. I remember no AJ and us still easily scoring at will, we were still destroying defenses.... Drumroll..... Until schaub went down. I do agree we need another WR but our O was still good last season with schaub as QB and no AJ

[Big Lou]

AJ's gonna have to take a pay cut so we can trade or sign someone decent if he wants a ring. The guy deserves his pay from the years we sucked (I think he sacrificed his body over the years the way he played the game), but if its more about the ring than the check something has to give.

AJ is the best Texan to ever wear the jersey in my opinion, and I want him to retire as a Texan, but there needs to be more production per dollar. When he's healthy he is still the best (agaim in my opinion), but he hasn't been completely healthy the last couple of years.

[GP]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

None of this would be that big of an issue if our GM that hates free agency hadn't ignored the huge need at WR that we've had for the last 3 seasons. We have failed to address the problem and anyone who isn't brain dead knows exactly how bad this offense turns once AJ isn't out there anymore.

This may not be a big deal, but it also could be. WHo knows at this point, but this kind of thing just keeps on happening to AJ, and this franchise keeps on ignoring the glaring need we have at WR. Anyone thinking that KW is a legit #2 WR in this league needs their head examined.

Cant address every need in one or two drafts.

We had a sucky defense that needed to be built up properly. They've tried to do that--via the previous d-coord, and failed--so they went back to the well with Wade Phillips (and he succeeded).

This draft, Kubiak went after some WR talent. Again, the Texans felt the best option in round 1 was a guy for Wade's defense. I suppose they didn't feel there was a potential Second Coming of Andre Johnson in round 1 to be had at our position in round 1...so they went defense because a guy was there whom Wade and Rick didn't think would still be there.

I get the frustration. I do. But in all fairness, this offense has a better shot at winning without guys like Schaub/AJ than other AFC South teams have with all of their starters out there. We're riding a crest of a wave that has taken a awhile to build, and other teams are sort of trying to find their identities and are struggling a bit.

My best-case scenario is to let AJ play out the next two years, then go after a better/younger WR1 in free agency that can be paid AJ'ish money. Though I seriously doubt McNair is going to EVER let AJ walk away from us. It's a damned-if-we-do, damned-if-we-don't situation, IMO.

[The Pencil Neck]

Originally Posted by GP

My best-case scenario is to let AJ play out the next two years, then go after a better/younger WR1 in free agency that can be paid AJ'ish money. Though I seriously doubt McNair is going to EVER let AJ walk away from us. It's a damned-if-we-do, damned-if-we-don't situation, IMO.

What I'm expecting is that we have AJ in spots and we've got to hope we've got him at his best at the right times. But I don't expect any more full seasons from him. I don't expect him to be our down-in and down-out #1 target anymore.

Whether McNair is going to allow Rick to ditch AJ is the question. I don't know if he will. I hope AJ gets to play out the rest of his career here and I hope he continues to shine when he gets his opportunity.

But I think we've got to find someone to be the real main #1 threat soon and the way we've drafted and went about free agency, we're gambling on it being in this crop of young receivers. I hope that pans out but if we're drafting WR in the first round next year, it's not going to be good.

[steelbtexan]

Fact,

Gary/Rick let AJ play on a bad hamstring last yr to save their jobs and now those chickens are coming home to roost.

[The Pencil Neck]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

Fact,

Gary/Rick let AJ play on a bad hamstring last yr to save their jobs and now those chickens are coming home to roost.

This is the same AJ whose helmet they had to hide to keep him off the field against the Niners a couple of years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if it was AJ who gave the medical staff bad information about how hurt he was because he thought he could play through it.

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck

This is the same AJ whose helmet they had to hide to keep him off the field against the Niners a couple of years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if it was AJ who gave the medical staff bad information about how hurt he was because he thought he could play through it.

Im sorry but if you are a coach or manager and resort to such childish acts to get your employees to comply with what you want you are piss poor at your job.

[SheTexan]

Originally Posted by 2012Champs

Im sorry but if you are a coach or manager and resort to such childish acts to get your employees to comply with what you want you are piss poor at your job.

Not so! These are GROWN men we're talking about, not "kids!" At some point in time these GROWN men need to act like it and not expect their coach or manager to be their babysitter.

[badboy]

As our roster has strengthened, team will be able to correct this issue in draft.

[The Pencil Neck]

Originally Posted by 2012Champs

Im sorry but if you are a coach or manager and resort to such childish acts to get your employees to comply with what you want you are piss poor at your job.

There are good, SB winning coaches who've had their big-name players go back onto the field against their wishes. I believe it's happened to Holmgren with Farve and I know it happened to George Allen with Billy Kilmer and I think I recall it happening to Coach Gibbs with Doug Williams. I'm not positive but I think I recall it happening to Chuck Noll with one of those guys on the Steel Curtain.

It's really easy for a starter to insert himself back into the lineup. He just has to run out there and tell one of the other guys to get off the field.

[The Medic01]

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck

There are good, SB winning coaches who've had their big-name players go back onto the field against their wishes. I believe it's happened to Holmgren with Farve and I know it happened to George Allen with Billy Kilmer and I think I recall it happening to Coach Gibbs with Doug Williams. I'm not positive but I think I recall it happening to Chuck Noll with one of those guys on the Steel Curtain.

It's really easy for a starter to insert himself back into the lineup. He just has to run out there and tell one of the other guys to get off the field.

And no third string receiver is going to say no to Andre.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck

There are good, SB winning coaches who've had their big-name players go back onto the field against their wishes. I believe it's happened to Holmgren with Farve and I know it happened to George Allen with Billy Kilmer and I think I recall it happening to Coach Gibbs with Doug Williams. I'm not positive but I think I recall it happening to Chuck Noll with one of those guys on the Steel Curtain.

It's really easy for a starter to insert himself back into the lineup. He just has to run out there and tell one of the other guys to get off the field.

Yup. Staubach went onto the field several times against Landry's wishes as well.

In general those players were admired for their grit but apparently they all just had poor coaches.

Coaches don't have time for prolonged arguments in the middle of the game and as you say nobody is stopping a star from just running onto the field.

[michaelm]

Originally Posted by NastyNate

I love it all. I trained under Ben Pryne and Lou Faralan up in the NW and when I moved down here trained with Sam Hogar with MFS until Miletich and Hogar split. So a healthy mix of traditional BJJ and catch wrestling with a lot of Muay Thai focus. Spent some time with the Washington state freestyle wrestling team, went up to Surrey BC, down to Seattle, all over. Even trained at the old team quest in Biersch Oregon a few times.

Got quite a few stories, we'll chat all about it at the game Mikey.

Nate

If you know Sam Hoger, then you probably know Paige, aka Posh, who dated Sam for a short while, and spent some time at Miletich?

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by NastyNate

I love it all. I trained under Ben Pryne and Lou Faralan up in the NW and when I moved down here trained with Sam Hogar with MFS until Miletich and Hogar split. So a healthy mix of traditional BJJ and catch wrestling with a lot of Muay Thai focus. Spent some time with the Washington state freestyle wrestling team, went up to Surrey BC, down to Seattle, all over. Even trained at the old team quest in Biersch Oregon a few times.

Got quite a few stories, we'll chat all about it at the game Mikey.

Nate

I've had my kid train in the Muay Thai style. Mix in a little grappling and some core strength and he is just about ready to turn the tables on me and whip my butt soon. I'm right at that point where I'm not sure I want to find out where he's at since I know good and well where I'm at now that I'm 48 and he's 6' 220.

[michaelm]

Originally Posted by Vinny

I've had my kid train in the Muay Thai style. Mix in a little grappling and some core strength and he is just about ready to turn the tables on me and whip my butt soon. I'm right at that point where I'm not sure I want to find out where he's at since I know good and well where I'm at now that I'm 48 and he's 6' 220.

Sounds to me like you already have a good idea how that would shake out. LOL

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by SheTexan

Not so! These are GROWN men we're talking about, not "kids!" At some point in time these GROWN men need to act like it and not expect their coach or manager to be their babysitter.

I know they arent kids and thats exactly why you shouldnt have to resort to hiding player equipment

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Yup. Staubach went onto the field several times against Landry's wishes as well.

In general those players were admired for their grit but apparently they all just had poor coaches.

Coaches don't have time for prolonged arguments in the middle of the game and as you say nobody is stopping a star from just running onto the field.

Piss poor in handling the situation or having the control you should have running a team. If a player is doing something against what you have expressed the excuse shouldnt be well he just did it anyways and its dre

[GP]

Originally Posted by 2012Champs

Piss poor in handling the situation or having the control you should have running a team. If a player is doing something against what you have expressed the excuse shouldnt be well he just did it anyways and its dre

Uh, no.

Coach is watching the field, not trying to keep tabs on if #80 is complying with the trainer's advice and coach's decision that he (AJ) remain off the field.

I'd be MORE pissed if our coach was not watching the game on the field. He doesn't need to be babysitting players...he's got 53 grown ass men and can't watch em all at once.

So if #80 finds a way to sneak onto the field when he shouldn't be out there...then that's on #80 and on #80 alone.