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Old 07-26-2012   #61
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Right now, I'd easily choose Bryant Johnson over Williams.

Bryant Johnson = Better hands, knows our system and a much better pro

Roy Williams = Non of the above

That said, I'd assume there'd be more to pick from once cuts begin if we truly need a WR.
Please review the stats I posted here: http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...3&postcount=10 Unfortunately it does not seem that I'd bet the farm on either of their hands.
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Let me just jump in and say this about Bryant Johnson... I don't see him as an option for anything but a camp body unless we have some sort of disaster that I don't even want to think about.

BJ had all of last season to figure things out. Sure, he didn't have OTAs and whatnot but the guy should have been able to do SOMETHING last season. We needed someone to step up and ended up trading for Derrick Mason halfway through the season. (OK. We didn't actually trade anything for Mason, we just took him off the Jets' hands.)

If he couldn't do better than 6 catches for 90 yards last year, I don't see much point in giving him another shot. And with Doc's drop percentage numbers... yeah, no.

I'd rather give the kids a shot.
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It's likely that there will be a few more free-agent wide receivers available as teams make their roster cutdowns at the end of August.
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82---1,310---16.0---60T---7

I'd take that. Hell, for a #2 or #3 WR, I'd take:

64---838---13.1---91T---5

Both of those are actual stat lines for Roy Williams, if you hadn't suspected.
More biographical info on Roy Williams:

1. unwilling blocker
2. prima donna
3. sloppy route runner
4. can't play special teams
5. drops lots of passes

Ummm.... No thanks! Having a good stat line for a year or two at WR doesn't really tell the story. What was his catch % during those seasons? In addition to drops, he has never shown the ability to separate out of breaks in the NFL... Those stats likely reflect a lot of force-feeding.
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It's likely that there will be a few more free-agent wide receivers available as teams make their roster cutdowns at the end of August.
The problem with that could be that by then, the advantage of TC and learning the system is gone.......unless you can find one already familiar with the system.
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More biographical info on Roy Williams:

1. unwilling blocker
2. prima donna
3. sloppy route runner
4. can't play special teams
5. drops lots of passes

Ummm.... No thanks! Having a good stat line for a year or two at WR doesn't really tell the story. What was his catch % during those seasons? In addition to drops, he has never shown the ability to separate out of breaks in the NFL... Those stats likely reflect a lot of force-feeding.
Follow the conversation back upthread and you'll see that's not what was being discussed or addressed in my posts.
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Isn't Plax still out there?
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82---1,310---16.0---60T---7

I'd take that. Hell, for a #2 or #3 WR, I'd take:

64---838---13.1---91T---5

Both of those are actual stat lines for Roy Williams, if you hadn't suspected.
You can post his best stat years all you want, but it's a reason why he got dropped by 3 different teams all whom needed a lot of help at WR, and they still felt that he was worthless. The guy couldn't even shine on the freaking Cowboys in an offense that puts up really good offensive numbers, and got his job taken by like a 4th stringer and than by a rookie. Than he couldn't even do jack in Chicago and only lasted a season there. WR's his age don't somehow change and become quality players. Especially when they have problems with their hands, their attitude, and their work ethic. Roy is a waste to any team that picks him up. If we pick up Roy Williams, than we might as well have kept Jacoby Jones.
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I really don't care whether they bring in Roy Williams or not during TC. I doubt he makes it out but you know.
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You can post his best stat years all you want, but it's a reason why he got dropped by 3 different teams all whom needed a lot of help at WR, and they still felt that he was worthless. The guy couldn't even shine on the freaking Cowboys in an offense that puts up really good offensive numbers, and got his job taken by like a 4th stringer and than by a rookie. Than he couldn't even do jack in Chicago and only lasted a season there. WR's his age don't somehow change and become quality players. Especially when they have problems with their hands, their attitude, and their work ethic. Roy is a waste to any team that picks him up. If we pick up Roy Williams, than we might as well have kept Jacoby Jones.
Well yeah, when you put it that way. But...
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They are signing Bryant Johnson

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You can post his best stat years all you want, but it's a reason why he got dropped by 3 different teams all whom needed a lot of help at WR, and they still felt that he was worthless.
I'll tell you the same thing I told dalemurphy, and that's track back upthread and follow the conversation of my posts. I never said Roy Williams was even a good player, or that I even wanted him. I simply said that, as long as Kubiak isn't favoring him in some way, there's no risk to bringing him in. If he doesn't make the team, so be it. If he shows that he has matured and can still play, then even better. Someone said he never could play, and I posted his stats. Whatever problems you may have with Williams, his stats clearly show that he could play at some point at some level that belonged in the NFL. I never disputed any of the things you or dalemurphy pointed out.

Not so hard to follow, right?
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Oh. Wait. Who the hell is Keyaron Fox?
Career back-up LB who was a good special teamer with the Steelers for four or five years.
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They are signing Bryant Johnson
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I'll tell you the same thing I told dalemurphy, and that's track back upthread and follow the conversation of my posts. I never said Roy Williams was even a good player, or that I even wanted him. I simply said that, as long as Kubiak isn't favoring him in some way, there's no risk to bringing him in. If he doesn't make the team, so be it. If he shows that he has matured and can still play, then even better. Someone said he never could play, and I posted his stats. Whatever problems you may have with Williams, his stats clearly show that he could play at some point at some level that belonged in the NFL. I never disputed any of the things you or dalemurphy pointed out.

Not so hard to follow, right?
It's a huge risk as far as I'm concerned, because if he does make the team, than we've got a really bad WR that we'll have to count on at some point that never delivers. We just had that with Jacoby Jones already. It would be subtracting one bad problem at that position and adding another.

No, Roy was never really a good player. He was always capable of being a very good player. He had one very good season where his stats got overblown due to being the only weapon in Detroit where the ball was forced his way. One season out of like 8 or 9 doesn't make a guy someone who was a good player though. It just means he had one season where he played well. He is to old to all of a sudden change his ways and become this completely different guy. That just doesn't happen with players his age that have had as many issues as Roy has.
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I'm glad they signed Johnson over Williams, but I'm still a little bit confused on why we wont bring Plaxico in for a tryout. The guy has openly stated he'd play for the Texans, and he'd be a fantastic redzone reciever that would at the very least take pressure away from Arian on near goal line situations.
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