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Old 05-22-2005   #21
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Replacing the O-line every year would be like replacing the QB every year. That just doesn't work in the NFL. This is the first year we have not made radical changes. I know you have no patience, but we have made moves over the last two years to get us here. We are on the verge of a huge playoff run. If that isn't good enough for you...so be it.
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Replacing the O-line every year would be like replacing the QB every year. That just doesn't work in the NFL. This is the first year we have not made radical changes. I know you have no patience, but we have made moves over the last two years to get us here. We are on the verge of a huge playoff run. If that isn't good enough for you...so be it.
Vinny I hope you are correct and I stand corrected if you are. I wish I had your confidence............ I just know if we don't protect our QB better than we have we won't have him and it won't matter what you and I think. I would love nothing better than for you to be right.
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Aww, Caddy, does this mean you don't see me as an equal, as a Texans fan, in your eyes? Does the mean we can't party together at the games when I come home?

That really makes me sad....
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Guys, come on, David isn't going anywear, if the organization uses this "void" it will be simply to restructure his contract, and keep him here longer. This guy threw for nearly 4,000 yards, behind one of the, or possibly the worst offensive line in the NFL. He's a good QB, with a lot of years ahead of him, we'll get the offensive line situation fixed. I can see them moving Pitts back out to LT, and putting Wand or that new guy from NO at guard. He may be a little short compared to a lot of the LT's in the league, but Brad Hopkins is only 6'3", and he's been playing at an elevated level for years now.
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Have any one here even considered it might not be the Texans that void the contract. It might be David. Why might you ask would he do something like that. He has proven he can win, and proven he can scramble and even proven he can be a force even without a good front line. So... would it be insaine for him to get a offer to be in another team that HAS a good oline to protect him and has a good chance of being a final piece for a playoff run. Carr has been getting HAMMERED with our Oline, and we havent done to much to improve it. I would be considering it because he could be behind a gelled line, and do a playoff chance AND probably sign a contract paying him much more then he can make right now even with the bonus extension. He is a smart boy. His body aint going to take much more of this. He commented last year about drafting in the oline which we didnt, if things done work out this year, dont be surprised to see him void it. Just a thought folks.
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BTW.,...I know A LOT of people give you crap about your post. I think your dead on with a lot of your points of views....To man people have their Texans blinders on though....Keep up the good post
Okay, hate to harp on this point, but leave that kind of stuff out, save it for private messages and stuff...dont make irrelivant points that have nothing to do with the topic at hand...next time just send a private message...thanks
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Have any one here even considered it might not be the Texans that void the contract. It might be David. Why might you ask would he do something like that. He has proven he can win, and proven he can scramble and even proven he can be a force even without a good front line. So... would it be insaine for him to get a offer to be in another team that HAS a good oline to protect him and has a good chance of being a final piece for a playoff run. Carr has been getting HAMMERED with our Oline, and we havent done to much to improve it. I would be considering it because he could be behind a gelled line, and do a playoff chance AND probably sign a contract paying him much more then he can make right now even with the bonus extension. He is a smart boy. His body aint going to take much more of this. He commented last year about drafting in the oline which we didnt, if things done work out this year, dont be surprised to see him void it. Just a thought folks.
This has already been brought up and was cleared up by this post...

It's the team's option to retain Carr, not his...
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Have any one here even considered it might not be the Texans that void the contract. It might be David. Why might you ask would he do something like that. He has proven he can win, and proven he can scramble and even proven he can be a force even without a good front line. So... would it be insaine for him to get a offer to be in another team that HAS a good oline to protect him and has a good chance of being a final piece for a playoff run. Carr has been getting HAMMERED with our Oline, and we havent done to much to improve it. I would be considering it because he could be behind a gelled line, and do a playoff chance AND probably sign a contract paying him much more then he can make right now even with the bonus extension. He is a smart boy. His body aint going to take much more of this. He commented last year about drafting in the oline which we didnt, if things done work out this year, dont be surprised to see him void it. Just a thought folks.

not to point out the blindingly obvious....but our best record for a season is 7-9 yet david carr is a proven winner?
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Okay, hate to harp on this point, but leave that kind of stuff out, save it for private messages and stuff...dont make irrelivant points that have nothing to do with the topic at hand...next time just send a private message...thanks
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This has already been brought up and was cleared up by this post...

It's the team's option to retain Carr, not his...
Generally, voidable years is the player's forcing function on the team to pay him more money because of performance incentives met. It's a way for players to get out of their original contracts and get more money out of the team. If the team can't or won't ante up, the player can bolt earlier than the original term of the deal. If the contract is voided, it usually means the player was better than average (if it's a good contract) and the team has reaped some benefit - hence the pay raise. If a contract that contains voidable years isn't voided (because of incentives not met) there's a good chance the player won't be around to see the end of it anyway.

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Okay, hate to harp on this point, but leave that kind of stuff out, save it for private messages and stuff...dont make irrelivant points that have nothing to do with the topic at hand...next time just send a private message...thanks
I made a post that specifically pertained to the topic at hand. I then chose to add something else in, since I was already asking Ibar a question.

However, you should follow your own advice since you feel so strongly about it. I believe you confronted me in this thread entitled “Did You Know This about David’s Contract?” It surely isn’t entitled “Confront Texans Pride on His Placement of Compliments.” Perhaps you should have sent me a private message. Thanks
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Replacing the O-line every year would be like replacing the QB every year. That just doesn't work in the NFL. This is the first year we have not made radical changes. I know you have no patience, but we have made moves over the last two years to get us here. We are on the verge of a huge playoff run. If that isn't good enough for you...so be it.

Sorry to interrupt the discussion between you two but the question relating to the O line should really be asked of what are we doing to improve the line? Vinny you are correct in that we can't change personnel every year. No question about that. But we haven't even been drafting for depth and/or development let alone change and/or competition. Since nothing was done in the draft for the line what have we done in the offseason? Who did we recently get? Victor Riley? 31 year old RIGHT tackle?

Ibar you are correct in that Carr will never be able to show his talents because he is running for his life behind the worst line in the NFL. The majority of Carr's passing yards have come when the opposing team has gone into their prevent defense and that's pretty sad. Carr only had two games last year over 300 yards (Minn and Detroit) and a pathetic 114 yard game against Cleveland. Just ask yourself this question, what would Schottenheimer do with our O line if became the head coach? Year 4 and we're still hoping our O line is gonna develop chemistry.
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I made a post that specifically pertained to the topic at hand. I then chose to add something else in, since I was already asking Ibar a question.

However, you should follow your own advice since you feel so strongly about it. I believe you confronted me in this thread entitled “Did You Know This about David’s Contract?” It surely isn’t entitled “Confront Texans Pride on His Placement of Compliments.” Perhaps you should have sent me a private message. Thanks

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Okay, hate to harp on this point, but leave that kind of stuff out, save it for private messages and stuff...dont make irrelivant points that have nothing to do with the topic at hand...next time just send a private message...thanks
I don't wanna intrude on comments not involving me or anything but that reply you made was just as irrelevant as the one he made, and he was simply stating a compliment. Nothing wrong with showing some love. Oh and most threads here always have a message or two that are off-topic, so just get used to it.
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Ibar you are correct in that Carr will never be able to show his talents because he is running for his life behind the worst line in the NFL.

Year 4 and we're still hoping our O line is gonna develop chemistry.
Just to be ticky tacky, Chicago, San Fran, New York Giants, Miami, Atlanta and St. Louis all gave up more sacks than the Texans and Chicago, San Fran and Miami averaged less ypc rushing. I'll go with there being at least three teams with worse OL's. That should make everyone feel very, very marginally better.

As for chemistry, this is the 1st year there have not been wholesale changes to the OL so really it is the first time chemistry is even being given a chance.
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Just to be ticky tacky, Chicago, San Fran, New York Giants, Miami, Atlanta and St. Louis all gave up more sacks than the Texans and Chicago, San Fran and Miami averaged less ypc rushing. I'll go with there being at least three teams with worse OL's. That should make everyone feel very, very marginally better.

As for chemistry, this is the 1st year there have not been wholesale changes to the OL so really it is the first time chemistry is even being given a chance.

very true also we are going to timing routes, which should help Carr get rid of the ball quicker.
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Just to be ticky tacky, Chicago, San Fran, New York Giants, Miami, Atlanta and St. Louis all gave up more sacks than the Texans and Chicago, San Fran and Miami averaged less ypc rushing. I'll go with there being at least three teams with worse OL's. That should make everyone feel very, very marginally better.
Being the killjoy I am, I'll mention that da Bears, Niners, G-men, & Phins all dipped into free agengy for starting tackles. The Rams spent a 1st round pick on a tackle. Of that list, only the Falcons & Texans stood pat. We'll see which tact marginally improved their teams' offensive line play over the course of the upcoming season
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Replacing the O-line every year would be like replacing the QB every year. That just doesn't work in the NFL. This is the first year we have not made radical changes. I know you have no patience, but we have made moves over the last two years to get us here. We are on the verge of a huge playoff run. If that isn't good enough for you...so be it.
All I know Vinny is I don't think we should stop making changes to the offensive line until we have 5 players that we are happy with. Why let 5 players stay together and develop a chemistry if you aren't happy with a couple of them? Our current OL will never get us over the hump. We are 1 or 2 lineman away. We may have a winning season for the first time but no real playoff run until we fix our line problem.
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