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Old 07-19-2012   #21
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If Kubiak can sit a 2nd round Harris for a season why not Posey? I think Posey has to outplay Jean to beat him out. Being a 3rd round selection will not do it.
I don't think anyone's saying that Posey's an automatic starter. But he is a lock for the 53.

Jean's not a lock for the 53, but given his experience in the system and Kubiak's track record with UDFAs (see: Rod Smith), he could well end up being a starter.
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AJ, Walter, Jean, Posey, Martin.

Holliday and Maehl should be #6 and #7. They'll head to the PS, IMO.

Martin gets the #5 because he's a returner and a WR.
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I'm thinking we might be able to carry an extra wr this year if we go with 1 fb instead of two.

I think Casey and the loss of Dreesen allows us to do that.
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I agree and its what I said in an earlier post in the thread. Martin is going to see the field at receiver. The idea that he doesn't count as one because he'll be returning kicks/punts was what I wasn't following. We carried 4 receivers at the start of the year last year. I think we'll carry 5 this year whether they're returning or not which Martin will be. Maehl's gonna have to beat out Jean, Posey or Martin. I just don't see it happening.
OF course he has WR value with return ability added. but it does give Kubiak & staff wiggle room, nothing more or less just a creative way of viewing roster & keeping most talent, it's not always black & white
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OF course he has WR value with return ability added. but it does give Kubiak & staff wiggle room, nothing more or less just a creative way of viewing roster & keeping most talent, it's not always black & white
It gives us no more wiggle room than last year or any other year since Kubiak has been here. We've never had a pure return man in his tenure, and the closest we had to it was Mathis. This year will be no different since Martin will likely be the third or fourth receiver to be on the field. Like GP said Maehl is battling for the 6th spot as of now on the totem poll.

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Andre, Kevin, Posey are locks. Martin kicks Holliday to the curb, because of return ability. So that is four but only count against position as three.
You logic here is what doesn't make a lot of sense. Martin will count as a 4th receiver. You can't discount him on the depth chart. That would be like saying Manning wouldn't count as a safety because he returned kicks. We are more likely to carry an extra DB than we are to carry a 6th receiver. Fact of the matter is if Maehl can't beat out one of the young guys then he's back on the PS which isn't a bad thing for him.
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No guarantee that Posey will play, but Harris never was released. He was always on the 53 man roster. I think thats the question here as to which 5 guys will make the 53.
I think our defense is not now a concern and we can carry fewer CBs and more WRs even if Posey gets little time on field.
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I think our defense is not now a concern and we can carry fewer CBs and more WRs even if Posey gets little time on field.
With the quality of passing offenses we play this year its going to be a big concern to have depth at CB and Safety. I want to say we carried 7 CBs last year. With Roc being healthy hopefully I'm pretty sure we'll carry at least 6 with him replacing Jason Allen. Ball and McMannis are likely to battle for the last spot. But with J Jo, Kareem, Harris, McCain, Roc, Ball, McMannis 6 of those guys are going to make the team for sure. That leaves one spot open for an extra position which could be a 5th receiver. We just don't spread the field like the Patriots to justify carrying 6.
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If it comes down to Maehl or Martin, Martin wins hands down. He was too high a pick, he has better return ability, and he's been doing well so far.
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If Kubiak can sit a 2nd round Harris for a season why not Posey? I think Posey has to outplay Jean to beat him out. Being a 3rd round selection will not do it.
This is a compelling argument. I haven't made a prediction about who is making this roster because I think that's stupid at this point. I like the exchange of ideas because I think some of the established norms like keeping certain draft picks will be challenged this year by Texans because of the experience of the core group. Why wouldn't they just put them all out there, give them reps, and let it sort as it may. I think the value of skill diversity is the only non-competition consideration that is likely to hold sway at this point.
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I'm thinking we might be able to carry an extra wr this year if we go with 1 fb instead of two.

I think Casey and the loss of Dreesen allows us to do that.
This makes me nervous.....limits depth at two positions......very high risk
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If they go 6 WRs then I could see either Holliday/Maehl being that 6th guy. With Holliday having the upper hand on teams and the need/use of a backup slot receiver for this offense being pretty limited...I'd lean Holliday. Frankly, I'd go 5 and take the extra DB or LBer (like Louiseau).
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If they go 6 WRs then I could see either Holliday/Maehl being that 6th guy. With Holliday having the upper hand on teams and the need/use of a backup slot receiver for this offense being pretty limited...I'd lean Holliday. Frankly, I'd go 5 and take the extra DB or LBer (like Louiseau).
I hope a big guy blows away the competition and ends up starting opposite Andre. If Posey or Martin ends up deserving to do so.....I'm happy with any of the other guys in the slot....whoever wins the job. I want to see this "unknown" become and "unbelievable" and "unstoppable".......I'm good with that.
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I would like to see some wobble in Kubiak's offensive scheme and see what Holliday could do as a third down and long back, a la Sproles.
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I would like to see some wobble in Kubiak's offensive scheme and see what Holliday could do as a third down and long back, a la Sproles.
But don't you think Sproles has that lower body power that helps him muscle through some tackle attempts...I just don't' think Holliday has enough rocks in his pocket to motor through a tough situation.

Not downing the idea, just wondering if it'd work as well as it does with Sproles.
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****!!!! Can we start the preseason games already? This way we're that much closer to the actual season??? Cheese and Rice!! I'm losing my damn mind!!!!


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What do you think will happen if the Texans bring in a veteran WR? Who gets left off the 53 then?

I'd rather keep the guys we have now and see how they perform in training camp and preseason. Let them compete through the first two preseason games and if they stink then bring in a veteran WR.
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But don't you think Sproles has that lower body power that helps him muscle through some tackle attempts...I just don't' think Holliday has enough rocks in his pocket to motor through a tough situation.

Not downing the idea, just wondering if it'd work as well as it does with Sproles.
It worked in limited fashion for Holliday at LSU. They used to hide him and direct snap or quit handoff/pitch the ball to him right behind the line and let him use his speed to fly around the end. The problem is that it only worked once or twice here or there....he wasn't able to break alot of tackles. Sproles does. He was able to hide in a pile and squeak out for big gains. I just can not imagine him as anything more than depth. I just think the gap is too wide in his development as a receiver and in his size. Someone somewhere mentioned him as a slot guy. I guess the comparison is someone like Welker, but I don't consider them comparable.
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They've got AJ and Walters, the 2 rookies they drafted, Lestar, and they will probably sign at least one vet in FA so that's 6 WRs. OK unless they keep 7, looks like another PS season for Maehl ? I hope he makes the 53-man squad, but looks like a real long-shot at this point ?
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I think that Walter taking a pay cut this year is probably what is going make sure he makes the 53 man roster, but I think that his #2 spot is going to be up for grabs and he's really going to have to earn it this year instead of being the default.

I also think Posey, Martin and if Jean has a TC repeat of last year all have the talent to press him for that spot.

I think it's also unlikely they opt for 6 WRs this year. If we didn't have a capable return man in Manning I could see it expanded, but from what I ehar Martin also has return ability.

I think Maehl is a long shot for the 53 man roster, but maybe if he has a good TC and pre-season showing he might be able to catch on elsewhere.
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What do you think will happen if the Texans bring in a veteran WR? Who gets left off the 53 then?
You can maybe look at Walter... I like Walter on the team right now because he's a vet, and it helps to have two vets around these young guys. But if we were to bring in a vet, and that vet out classes Walter? I think they'd consider cutting Walter in that situation...

But we'll see if they bring that vet in...
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