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Old 07-15-2012   #1
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Johnathan Joseph left Cincinnati to sign a five-year, $48.75 million contract in Houston last year, so it’s not surprising that Joseph views the Texans as a more generous team than the Bengals. But Joseph says that goes beyond players’ salaries.

According to Joseph, Texans owner Bob McNair cares about the players’ families and is willing to provide whatever is needed to make the players comfortable, while Bengals owner Mike Brown nickel-and-dimes them about everything from sports drinks to road trips.

“The first thing about Houston is it’s an organization run from a different perspective,” Joseph told HeraldOnline.com. “In Cincy, the team lives off money it earns from football. Houston’s owner has other business interests and he controls the money. Numerous things that go on such as the way Houston interacts with my family; we’re treated in a first-class way. They helped us when my wife lost our baby daughter in a miscarriage. But they help with anything you ask of them because they are a very caring organization with positive attitudes about its players. In Cincy, we’re told how much Gatorade we could take home. In Houston we get what we request. You get soap and deodorant at your request. You don’t have a roommate on road trips.”

Joseph is far from the first player to complain about the Bengals’ spendthrift ways, but he puts it in particularly stark terms: Sometimes there’s more to how happy an owner can make a player than how big a paycheck the owner will sign. Sometimes it’s about showing consideration for a player’s family, or not making an issue of it if the player says he’ll sleep better on the road if he has his own room. That’s what Joseph says he’s getting in Houston, and what he says he didn’t get in Cincinnati.
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It's good to hear about Joseph's contrasting experience. But I don't know that, of all teams, I would be picking the Bengals as a comparison example to try to illustrate how generous another team might be.
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It's good to hear about Joseph's contrasting experience. But I don't know that, of all teams, I would be picking the Bengals as a comparison example to try to illustrate how generous another team might be.
Well... you know, he has experience with two teams...

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Mr. McNair will probably getting a visit from the IRS in the near future.

& why does a multimillionaire need to bring gatorade home?
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Q: Houston has a solid team and appears on its way to becoming one of the NFL’s best after going 10-6, winning the AFC South and making the second round of the playoffs last season. What are your thoughts and how have your teammates responded to the rise?

Everyone was excited; making the playoffs and going to the second round was our reward for lots of hard work. But we didn’t settle for that. Our ultimate goal was to go to Super Bowl and win it; still is. We’ve had strong participation in summer workouts. It was like a college atmosphere. Every player worked hard and wants to be the best at his position, collectively as a team, and we pushed each other during drills. It’s great to see how well the guys get along off and on the field.
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We're lucky to have Mr. McNair as an owner.
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That's the sort of thing we need to appear in media: i.e. Why Houston is a good destination for free agents.

My only quibble is that he's airing a bit of laundry. I don't like it when former Texans speak negatively about Houston, so the shoe fits here IMO.

The other thing is he's talking about McNair's income, sort of. Probably should have not said that, it didn't add anything to his story.

The part about Houston caring for him and his wife during the miscarriage was really good.

All in all: Good publicity for H-Town.
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The other thing is he's talking about McNair's income, sort of. Probably should have not said that, it didn't add anything to his story.
He was qualifying his statement.

Instead of saying, "Brown's cheap and McNair's not," he was saying, "Brown's cheap and McNair's not, and here's why..."
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He was qualifying his statement.

Instead of saying, "Brown's cheap and McNair's not," he was saying, "Brown's cheap and McNair's not, and here's why..."
Yep - he's actually trying to tone down the negative aspects of his comments regarding the Bengals.

Also, given that it's widely known that McNair has and had other sources of income (from the sale of Cogen Technologies, to ongoing investment in the power generation industry, to owning and racing horses), I think the chance of any negative backlash from either the general public or the IRS is minimal.
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I'm sure Houston will become a top destination for the best FA as soon as they get word that McNair lets them take home all the Gatorade they want.


Winning a couple dozen more play-off games won't hurt either.
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He was qualifying his statement.

Instead of saying, "Brown's cheap and McNair's not," he was saying, "Brown's cheap and McNair's not, and here's why..."
And you think that's wisdom to do so? I don't.

J Jo didn't make a huge transgression, I won't paint it as such. I gave him props for other things he said, the part on McNair's income stream(s) was mildly awkward. Again: Overall, good pub for the good guys!
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I'm sure Houston will become a top destination for the best FA as soon as they get word that McNair lets them take home all the Gatorade they want.


Winning a couple dozen more play-off games won't hurt either.
I understand your sarcasm but many folks like the little things. Money is great but that personal touch cannot be overlooked. You think players won't hear that about the McNairs being there during a miscarriage? You betcha.
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I understand your sarcasm but many folks like the little things. Money is great but that personal touch cannot be overlooked. You think players won't hear that about the McNairs being there during a miscarriage? You betcha.
Was he personally there? I don't remember the event(s) when it actually happened.

I think the best thing that can happen is finally happening: Players want a good team environment AND they want to win too. We've always had one of those things, and now we have the other. This is what's key, IMO.
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I'm sure Houston will become a top destination for the best FA as soon as they get word that McNair lets them take home all the Gatorade they want.


Winning a couple dozen more play-off games won't hurt either.
One supports the other. Gatorade is a superficial example but what he's saying can't be ignored. All pro leagues are players leagues. Coaches coach at the pleasure of the players. Players shut it down, coach gets fired. All the best teams go first class. The comment about McNair having other revenue streams is important. He doesn't have to live and die making money with the sports franchise.

Successful people are successful for a reason and it's not always who they know. They have to make their own imprint or they'll be labeled wannabes of daddy's boys. Bud Adams is a daddy's boy and it shows in how he runs the team. He fell into it. I've known men like Adams and they never measure up to their fathers. They are spoiled and impetuous adult brats.
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Well... you know, he has experience with two teams...

What I thought odd was:


Mr. McNair will probably getting a visit from the IRS in the near future.

& why does a multimillionaire need to bring gatorade home?
Yeah, he can only compare the two teams he's played for so that makes sense to me. What's important here is that he's very clear that the Texans are nothing like the Bengals. That's the message you want free agents around the league to get out of this.

I thought the other side to your question was "Why would a billionaire care how much Gatorade a multimillionaire takes home?" I'm sure that no matter how much he's drinking it's a trivial amount. McNair doesn't apparently sweat the small stuff. Brown does.
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Basically JJo said the same thing about Cincy that Cris Dishman said about the Oilers when he left.
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Yeah, he can only compare the two teams he's played for so that makes sense to me. What's important here is that he's very clear that the Texans are nothing like the Bengals. That's the message you want free agents around the league to get out of this.

I thought the other side to your question was "Why would a billionaire care how much Gatorade a multimillionaire takes home?" I'm sure that no matter how much he's drinking it's a trivial amount. McNair doesn't apparently sweat the small stuff. Brown does.
Like that wasn't perfectly clear before he made his comments.
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It's another reminder of why the departure of Bud Adams will forever be a great thing.
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It's a reminder of why the departure of Bud Adams will forever be a great thing.
Exactly.... See my post about Cris Dishman's comments about the Oilers ---> Pud Adams.
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For the "Uncle Bob" haters, the question is this: How many "oxes" have the Bengals seen "stuck in a ditch"?

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