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View Poll Results: Who would you rather have the Texans sign, Boulware or Shelton?
Peter Boulware 42 36.21%
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Old 05-21-2005   #1
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Question Boulware or Shelton?

According to the Chronic, we have shown interest in both LJ Shelton and Peter Boulware, and IMO both players will probably be asking for relatively similar contract numbers...Boulware was a perennial Pro Bowler prior to injury, and Shelton has been classified as an underachiever who has never lived up to his first round billing...Despite this, I am kind of skeptical that post-injury Boulware possesses the burst that pre-injury Boulware did, so he may be better off signing with a 4-3 team as a DE...Peek has earned his shot to be starting at ROLB, but we're thin on quality depth, and Peek has been injured in both of his seasons in the league...If this were to happen a third straight season, would we start Charlie Anderson or shift Wong back to the outside and start Moreno? Boulware would be a big lift in this scenario, but he's not a player who would help at a position of necessity, which is something Shelton would do...Shelton would bring more competition to the OL than Victor Riley has/will, and Shelton has plenty of experience at LT and RT...FWIW, I like Seth Wand, but if the organization feels that Shelton would be an upgrade over him, then so be it...We need the best 5 linemen we can get to be on the field...

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Default We need help on the O-line

I think that Peek will get more sacks than Babin this year, if they let him start, so I don't see the need for Boulware, since he might've lost a step. Its too risky with him coming off an injury. Plus we need as many good lineman as we can get. I consider Shelton a good lineman. And who knows maybe with him signed, we could move wand to Guard and Pitts to center......might not work, but, Shelton upgrades the line whether it gets Mckinney out of the center position or not.
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Shelton, absolutely no doubt.
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It has always been known that Peek has the skills to rush the QB. His big ? is can he read the play action and drop into coverage? He has to be able to read and anticipate the play otherwise his aggressivness will be his downfall.
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It has always been known that Peek has the skills to rush the QB. His big ? is can he read the play action and drop into coverage? He has to be able to read and anticipate the play otherwise his aggressivness will be his downfall.
I believe it was Vic Fangio who said that Peek was our best coverage LB last season, so his coverage skills aren't really a big question mark...His problem is that he overpersues on run plays, but you are correct that at times, he bites on play action...He also has the tendency to collect dumb penalties because he is so anxious to make plays...IMO if we get him out there full time, that wouldn't be a problem anymore...

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I hope we can bring in Shelton.
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Texans Singing 'Gimme Shelton'
Pitts, Wand Flipping Out?

The Texans remained busy during a normally quiet period of the offseason on Friday, as there have been reports that the team has expressed an interest in signing left tackle L.J. Shelton.

Shelton, 29, was released by the Cardinals on Wednesday after losing his starting job midway though the 2004 season. At 6'6" and roughly 340 pounds, Shelton will likely command a lot of attention from other teams before he signs with any of them.

After being selected by the Cardinals in the first round of the 1999 draft, Shelton served as the Cardinals' starter for roughly five seasons. Until he was benched by new head coach Dennis Green last year, Shelton had been a consistent performer for the Cardinals, showing off his strength and athleticism.

Shelton signed a five-year contract extension in 2003 that paid him a $5 million signing bonus and $3 million per season in base salaries. Prior to last month's draft, his name was mentioned often in trade speculation with the Bills, though the Bears and Buccaneers were also rumored to have interest as well.

The Houston Chronicle reported on Saturday that the Texans' current starter, Seth Wand, had been swapping positions with left guard Chester Pitts during last week's coaching session workouts. The pursuit of another left tackle comes after the team substituted Marcus Spears for Wand late last season on passing downs, followed by the Texans' attempted acquisition of Rams' frachised player Orlando Pace.

The Texans also signed former Saints' right tackle Victor Riley earlier this month, though he reported to last week's coaching sessions out of shape.
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i say we get shelton and ty law because i love peek so im alright with him and the we need a player like shelton and also a player like law for peyton manning
I'd like that, but can we afford both?
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and also a player like law for peyton manning
If we got Law we would have the best backs in the league but getting him would be a waste of money when we could go get someone who could really step up our team instead of just adding to it. I like Law but we just don't need another CB.
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We dont have the cap room to go out and grab Ty Law. Also, I would rather have Boulware over Shelton cause after Peek and Babin we have no depth at OLB. I think we should let Wand show us what he can do this season, then if he doesnt perform, grab a LT in 1st round of the draft next season. With Boulware, we could rotate him, Peek, and Babin at OLB to keep our pash rushers fresh so they could perform at higher levels the whole time they are in the game instead of wearing out in 3rd-4th qtrs.
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Ill take Shelton. I want to see what Peek can do when he gets the chance. I also want to see what Carr, and Johnson can do, when they get the time.

"helton had been a consistent performer for the Cardinals, showing off his strength and athleticism."

That's music to my ears.
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"helton had been a consistent performer for the Cardinals, showing off his strength and athleticism."

That's music to my ears.
Well it should sound like some sour notes then because teams don't let consistant performer LT's go or for that matter bench them.
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Well it should sound like some sour notes then because teams don't let consistant performer LT's go or for that matter bench them.
Good point. It could be a case of new HC, not working well with players from before him. Could be a cap move. Could be alot of things. But I do believe he would come in and win the starting LT job. JMHO.
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LJ is younger at a position that we desperately need to be upgraded.
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So has anyone heard anything else on the this?
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Also, got this on ESPN Insider on Boulware:

May 23. To date, Boulware has visited with only one team, the Houston Texans, who regard him as a pass-rush threat in their 3-4 front. There are other teams that have sought to meet with Boulware, to poke and probe him and adjudge his physical viability, but he likely will not schedule more visits until the end of this week at the earliest.

Barnes apprised the interested parties that his client wants to wait until after the NFL meetings in Washington, D.C., this week, which are Tuesday and Wednesday. Once the owners have moved beyond business issues, and are prepared to focus on football again, Boulware will set up visits with those franchises he discerns have legitimate interest in him, and a plan for how to utilize the four-time Pro Bowl performer.

Just curious, can we get both? It looks like the Texans are trying!
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Lol, don't mean to keep posting but here is some info on Shelton as well from ESPN Insider:

May. 23 - Released by the Cardinals last week, Shelton already has met with the Texans, according to the Houston Chronicle. The paper indicates the team is committed to shoring up its pass protection in order to make a run at a playoff berth in 2005, the former expansion team's fourth season.
Arizona gave up trying to trade Shelton and elected not to wait until June 1 to cut him, instead swallowing his $3.3 million cap hit this year.

"We just felt like at this point it made no sense to hold him any longer," Rod Graves, Cardinals vice president of football operations, said. "There are ramifications from a cap standpoint but we have (a lot of) cap room and we'd rather take that medicine now rather than push it to next year."
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I consider Shelton a good lineman. And who knows maybe with him signed, we could move wand to Guard and Pitts to center......might not work, but, Shelton upgrades the line whether it gets Mckinney out of the center position or not.
That sounds like a recipe for a 50 sack season. Lets add a new LT, then take a guy (Wand) who's never played Guard and move him there and then we'll take a guy (Pitts) who's never played center and move him there.

In this scenario Shelton destroys the line he's brought in to help and everyones screaming for someone to get fired by week 3.

On the offensive line the answer right now is do nothing. Relaxe and let this group play a second season together.
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On the offensive line the answer right now is do nothing. Relaxe and let this group play a second season together.
Even if some of the 5 starters are not very good OL? You wouldn't replace one or two of them if a player was available after the june 1st cuts? Why let them develop a chemistry together if a couple of them are probably gone after this season? The only way we leave this OL alone is if there is nothing better to replace them with because this OL as is will not take us to the super bowl no matter how much chemistry they develop.
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Even if some of the 5 starters are not very good OL? You wouldn't replace one or two of them if a player was available after the june 1st cuts? Why let them develop a chemistry together if a couple of them are probably gone after this season? The only way we leave this OL alone is if there is nothing better to replace them with because this OL as is will not take us to the super bowl no matter how much chemistry they develop.

First of all I'm very skeptical of all the "talent scouts" in here who think they know whether or not the players currently starting for the Texans offensive line are any good. Most everyone I see discussing the line in here can't tell the difference between a player who's not any good and a player who's been moved out of his position (Pitts), or a player who's starting for the first time in the NFL and playing like it (Wand). A lot of them think that signing Weigert was a mistake and Wade was another. If I thought that all the people commenting on the OL in here knew what they were looking at then that would be different but I don't.

Second you're a couple of years too late on the "Why let them develop a chemistry together if a couple of them are probably gone after this season?" part. Those guys were signed in 2002 and 2003 and if they weren't good enough to stick around then they're already gone. The players we have right now are mostly going to be the players we go into the season with and everyone had better get used to the idea.

The years of "They need to send a couple of them packing" are over folks. The only thing that's going to prompt massive change on our line from here on out is going to be injury. Players aren't going to be replaced in bunches anymore and not every group of cuts (June 1st or otherwise) is going to contain someone who can help our team.

If someone cuts loose a guy who can start for us I'm for it. Don't get me wrong, I don't think we have the second coming of Munchak, Mathews, Steinkuhler, and Co. on this team. We're just good enough now that you need to balance what you lose and what you gain when you start swapping out parts of this line. In terms of guys who are going to play for us this year the team only pursued one guy and that was Orlando Pace. That should tell you something about what the Texans think of their OL. They think a lot more of it than most of us do. Who do you think is more likely to be closer to the truth about the OL? A staff of NFL coaches or a bunch of fans on a message board?
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