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Old 07-09-2012   #101
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Bingo. We came from cows not monkeys.
Would make more sense. See how monkeys are semi-intelligent and most move quickly, have energy, and seem to be striving for some purpose in their lives?

Cows on the other hand seem to have no intelligence, are fat, move slow, and typically act like they could care less and their actions reinforce that attitude.

Which one reminds you more of humans today?

Especially ones who frequent these boards ...
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I thought I read that that "blood type" diet stuff was unsubstantiated nonsense?
His studies and findings were printed in New England Journal of Medicine, which unless they've slacked in their standards...that's a strict publication in terms of the science of one's studies.

I lost 20 lbs on it, but have fell off the wagon and need to get back on. I'm Type A. All my family on both sides have had heart disease and some have had stomach or even intestinal cancer.

My grandparents ate a red meat or pork for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Every time, not joking. They just didn't know the science that's behind such a diet as they religiously enjoyed. Both of them had heart disease, both of them died from intestinal cancer. My other two grandparents died of heart disease. My dad has heart disease.

It's not far fetched when you stop and think this, as well: My grandparents ate so much meat, it ended up poisoning the very thing that would be susceptible to such poison: The stomach and the intestines--the two major players in the digestion and excretion of food products! They were poisoning themselves every day for 80+ years. But their generation was the Meat Is Good For You generation. And lots of milk, lots of cheese, lots of bread.

The heart cannot handle pumping blood to all the growing arteries/arterioles/capillaries that feed the fat in our body. And fat exists because your body is rejecting the foods you consumed (stores it away as a safety protocol). So the foods we eat, if it's incompatible with our blood type's preferences, get carried away and stored as fat...that fat has to be serviced by the heart...and this stresses the heart, causing heart disease. Then your immune system is taxed due to the work of your white blood cells (who are constantly shuttling off the bad food cells; to store it away in your gut and butt) and soon you're susceptible to cancer due to exhausted immune system.

Our bodies are resilient, but at some point it just gives up. It can't win if we don't stop certain things.

I personally think its not junk science. It seems quite logical and reasonable. Foods are composed of cellular organisms. We are composed of cellular organisms. The food we eat must be broken down and then "fed" to our own cellular organisms for systems to remain functional. How can we go against the DNA of who we are, which is hereditary.......which explains why certain people don't handle certain foods very well. Instead of cutting out a certain food...we have the need to limit some yet enhance others.

The key idea is: Moderation. But you have to know WHICH foods to limit (that are not beneficial to your body's blood type) and which foods to enhance (which ARE beneficial to you).

A type O vegan might have a verrry hard time experiencing full health if his body is actually built for the reception of animal proteins.

The thing is this: Why are we all trying to decide what to eat based on EXTERNAL factors....when its our INTERNAL cellular makeup that should drive our food and beverage choices?!?!

Who would put gasoline into a diesel engine??? Yeah, it'll work for awhile. But then it locks up.
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I think it is a non issue. He is a hard worker, dedicated, and this is his craft he is trying to perfect it. There are lots of respected individuals in the sports and fitness world that are Vegetarians and advocate a meat free diet.
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You would enjoy Eat Right For Your Type.

The guy has had his stuff published in New England Journal of Medicine.

He says our blood type and DNA and digestive system are all tied together, and predicated upon our ancestral eating habits.

Type O is the oldest blood type, meat eaters. Ever wonder why some people eat crazy amounts of meat and they are skinny as a rail??? Ask them their blood type, it'll be Type O more than likely.

Type A's ancestors were hunter/gatherers..living on picked vegetation and nuts, berries. This group eventually stopped being nomadic and settled into farming a consistent homestead. Type A's do best on a diet heavy in leafy greens, nuts, fruits, and small quantities of meat protein.

His studies showed that our red blood cells, when attempting to carry food nutrients throughout the body, sense if a food substance is beneficial or harmful (based on DNA markup!) and if it's a bad food...it triggers the white blood cells to wrap the bad food with a coating and whisk it away to be stored as fat.

Thus, WHAT we eat can indeed cause heart disease and cancer...but it's predicated upon BLOOD TYPE and what that person eats.

Fascinating book. Reputable.
That's a very interesting concept, GP. Thanks for the heads up about it. I will definitely check it out soon. MSR

So much of nutrition and the science behind digestion seems logical that this idea makes a lot of sense to me.
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How does he explain playing a sport with a leather ball then? Are his car seats leather? His cleets? How about the silk ties or wool coats? Just because you don't EAT meat products doesn't mean you're truly vegan.
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That's a very interesting concept, GP. Thanks for the heads up about it. I will definitely check it out soon. MSR

So much of nutrition and the science behind digestion seems logical that this idea makes a lot of sense to me.
I've been reading a book called "Eat to Live" by Dr Joel Fuhrman. http://www.drfuhrman.com/

He focuses on a plant based diet and rates foods by their nutrient content. Basically Nutrients/Calories.

There is a really interesting case he cites in the book called the China Study http://www.thechinastudy.com/ It's worth a read...
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I've been reading a book called "Eat to Live" by Dr Joel Fuhrman. http://www.drfuhrman.com/

He focuses on a plant based diet and rates foods by their nutrient content. Basically Nutrients/Calories.

There is a really interesting case he cites in the book called the China Study http://www.thechinastudy.com/ It's worth a read...
My ma lived this book. She had a major heart attack and they gave her a couple years, max 5. She lived on for 9 more years... and and and STROKE got her in the end. Not her heart. I know she's laughing her ass off about it right now. She really really hated her cardiologist. I believe the damage was done but this book absolutely extended her life. That I have no doubt of.

RIP Ma.
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I just wanted to point out that humans have the same movable jaw as a cow. We are able to grind our teeth as opposed to carnivores such as dogs and cats. We also do not have fangs but flat teeth like cows.

What's your explanation for this?
I'm trying to stay out of this debate but all mammals have the same basic structure for their teeth. Carnivores tend to have a full set while herbivores tend to have a partial set. Cats don't just have fangs. They've got incisors, premolars, and molars as well. Cows don't have canines (which are the fangs) and iirc, they don't have incisors on the top.

In other words, our teeth resemble a cat's teeth more than they resemble a cow's teeth. We have fangs; they're just not very long.

This does not mean we were meant to be carnivores but that we were meant to be omnivores.
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How does he explain playing a sport with a leather ball then? Are his car seats leather? His cleets? How about the silk ties or wool coats? Just because you don't EAT meat products doesn't mean you're truly vegan.
This has been already covered in the thread.
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I'm trying to stay out of this debate but all mammals have the same basic structure for their teeth. Carnivores tend to have a full set while herbivores tend to have a partial set. Cats don't just have fangs. They've got incisors, premolars, and molars as well. Cows don't have canines (which are the fangs) and iirc, they don't have incisors on the top.

In other words, our teeth resemble a cat's teeth more than they resemble a cow's teeth. We have fangs; they're just not very long.

This does not mean we were meant to be carnivores but that we were meant to be omnivores.
This debate as to what we humans are .......omnivore or herbivore.........can become quite telling when you look at some of the anatomic and physiologic details.

The lower jaw of carnivores have a hinge joint (just like the knee or elbow joint) and cannot move forward, and has very limited side-to-side motion. They essentially can only open and close for piercing, shearing, tearing and swallowing whole.

Cows [threw that in just for TexansBlood] and monkeys like humans have modified hinge/condylar jaw joints.......meaning the lower jaw may move up and down, side-to-side and forward and backward, essentially for biting, crushing and grinding before swallowing.

Carnivores have to have wide mouths and strong jaw muscles in order for them to eat some of the things they eat. Herbivores on the other hand are just the opposite, they have a small mouth and a strong tongue so it’s easier for them to move food around in their mouth and grind it on the flat molar teeth in the back of their mouth. In contrast, look how weak and limp a dog’s tongue is. It is protruded and rolled to allow for throwing water back into the throat. Cows, like humans don’t lap water, they actually suck it up like we do.

And what about their respective digestive systems?

Carnivores have very large stomachs, so large that it can hold between 60 and 70 percent of their whole digestive tract. But herbivores have very small stomachs and they process smaller piles of food.

A carnivore's or omnivore's small intestine is three to six times the length of its trunk. This is a tool designed for rapid elimination of food This way meat moves through fast, as meat goes rancid at high temperatures. Man's, as well as other herbivore's small intestines are 10 to 12 times the length of their body, and winds itself back and forth in random directions. This is a tool designed for keeping food in it for long enough periods of time so that all the valuable nutrients and minerals can be extracted from it before it enters the large intestine.

A carnivore's or omnivore's large intestine is relatively short and simple, like a pipe. This passage is also relatively smooth and runs fairly straight so that fatty wastes high in cholesterol can easily slide out before they start to putrefy. Man's, as well as other herbivore's large intestines, or colons, are puckered and pouched, an apparatus that runs in three directions (ascending, traversing and descending), designed to hold wastes that originally were foods high in water content. This is so that the fluids can be extracted from these wastes, now that all the useful nutrients and minerals have been extracted and the long journey through the small intestine is over.

A very interesting fact is that dogs, cats and other natural carnivores do not get colon cancer from high-fat, low-fiber, flesh-based diets. In humans, meat substances that have been putrefying for hours during their long stay in the small intestine tend to linger in the pockets that line the large intestine. This prolonged exposure to toxic substances has been found to explain such a high colon cancer rate amongst meat-eaters in the human colon while a very contrasting reduced colon cancer rate would be associated with humans following a plant-based diet.
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Is there any nutritional value in alcohol??

I kid...

As it turns out, I've been practicing the DASH diet and didn't even know it. Although I was not heavy on the veggie side of the diet, I still lost 46 pounds in less than two years by following several of the tenents of the DASH diet. I have since put about 10lbs back on (by choice) because I just didn't feel good or comfortable at 159 lbs. That said, my BMI is just fine.
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This debate as to what we humans are .......omnivore or herbivore.........can become quite telling when you look at some of the anatomic and physiologic details.
You're not drawing me into the debate that easily.
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You're not drawing me into the debate that easily.
That wasn't my intention.............PN, I know better. LOL
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As it turns out, I've been practicing the DASH diet and didn't even know it. Although I was not heavy on the veggie side of the diet, I still lost 46 pounds in less than two years by following several of the tenents of the DASH diet. I have since put about 10lbs back on (by choice) because I just didn't feel good or comfortable at 159 lbs. That said, my BMI is just fine.
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ESPN is in on the conversation now.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/pos...new-vegan-diet
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http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/pos...new-vegan-diet
175 grams of protein a day?!!! No way I could do that day in, day out.
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175 grams of protein a day?!!! No way I could do that day in, day out.
Most recommendations for athletes (from back when I used to pay attention to this stuff) is around 0.8 grams of protein per pound of lean bodyweight per day. Most bodybuilders shoot for over 2+ grams of protein per pound of lean bodyweight a day.

175 grams of protein per day is in line with an athlete who weighs in the 200-230 pound range.
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I was raised a rancher's daughter so I doubt I'd ever go vegan. I love my steak. I just can't eat meat as regularly as I used to. And while I had some concerns about Arian's choice at first, just doing some research put me at ease. Plus, I have faith in my son's ability to do his due diligence and manage his diet and body properly. He is a professional and he knows what his obligations are.

His choice is purely a desire to be as healthy as possible, not to keep from hurting animals. Although, I'm sure he has no qualms about that either. But it's not driven by a "tree hugger's principles"...whatever that means.

For those who question the timing, let me just say that Arian has been sustaining a very healthy diet for quite some time now. He didn't binge on burgers last week and then decide to become a vegan. He's managed his diet during training and during the season quite effectively and his has had less meat for a long time. He has a strong sense of responsibility and discipline and I have no doubts he'll do whatever is good for his body in this line of work. I support him 100%.

In addition to all that, all this debate has everyone talking about diet, healthy choices and extending life. I know it's done that for me and my family as well. And that, cannot be all bad.
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If he has a great season and is still a vegan, I may have to give up beef and start cutting down on meat altogether. Heck, it would save me money too (I think, but nuts, etc. are expensive too).
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I was raised a rancher's daughter so I doubt I'd ever go vegan. I love my steak. I just can't eat meat as regularly as I used to. And while I had some concerns about Arian's choice at first, just doing some research put me at ease. Plus, I have faith in my son's ability to do his due diligence and manage his diet and body properly. He is a professional and he knows what his obligations are.

His choice is purely a desire to be as healthy as possible, not to keep from hurting animals. Although, I'm sure he has no qualms about that either. But it's not driven by a "tree hugger's principles"...whatever that means.

For those who question the timing, let me just say that Arian has been sustaining a very healthy diet for quite some time now. He didn't binge on burgers last week and then decide to become a vegan. He's managed his diet during training and during the season quite effectively and his has had less meat for a long time. He has a strong sense of responsibility and discipline and I have no doubts he'll do whatever is good for his body in this line of work. I support him 100%.

In addition to all that, all this debate has everyone talking about diet, healthy choices and extending life. I know it's done that for me and my family as well. And that, cannot be all bad.

I guess some of our concerns is why change a diet?? The diet of his past has got him to be a top running back in the league. If it's not broken, why fix it?
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