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Old 07-01-2012   #61
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Lets just go back to the beginning and bash Carr and Capers if you are going to continue to insist on bringing up the past to try and prove a point that has no merit. We are a run first team NOW. Watch the games sparky.
Who's bringing up the past?

We were a run first team LAST year because we had a sh$tty quarterback.

Now that Schaub is back we will see what kind of team we are.

And cak may be a lot of things, but sparky is not what I'd call him.
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Lets just go back to the beginning and bash Carr and Capers if you are going to continue to insist on bringing up the past to try and prove a point that has no merit. We are a run first team NOW. Watch the games sparky.
You try watching the games. Run first teams don't go for 4000 yards passing.

How about that sparky? Name all the run first teams that go for 4000 yds passing three years in a row (last year on pace until Schaub went down)?

You have no freaking clue. Want to see a run first team? - look at the early 90's Cowboys. Aikman's top year ever was 3300 yds not 4770.

Last year with a rookie starting a third of the season the passing game still outscored the rushing game.
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You try watching the games. Run first teams don't go for 4000 yards passing.

How about that sparky? Name all the run first teams that go for 4000 yds passing three years in a row (last year on pace until Schaub went down)?

You have no freaking clue. Want to see a run first team? - look at the early 90's Cowboys. Aikman's top year ever was 3300 yds not 4770.

Last year with a rookie starting a third of the season the passing game still outscored the rushing game.
We ran the ball more, but it doesn't mean that we were a run-first team.

A couple of reasons why we ran more was because (1) we played against more teams with poor run defense and (2) we had more games with a lead (big lead at that).
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Lets just go back to the beginning and bash Carr and Capers if you are going to continue to insist on bringing up the past to try and prove a point that has no merit. We are a run first team NOW. Watch the games sparky.
Have you watched any games besides 2011 slick?
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Who's bringing up the past?

We were a run first team LAST year because we had a sh$tty quarterback.

Now that Schaub is back we will see what kind of team we are.
Even with Tj, Kubiak tried to be balanced. If ever we were not balanced, it wasn't for lack of effort.
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Even with Tj, Kubiak tried to be balanced. If ever we were not balanced, it wasn't for lack of effort.
You're right tk, I just don't see this as a "run-first" team with Schaub in there.
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We ran the ball more, but it doesn't mean that we were a run-first team.

A couple of reasons why we ran more was because (1) we played against more teams with poor run defense and (2) we had more games with a lead (big lead at that).
I'll say it again, because I think we're getting mixed up (all of us) on semantics.

The analysts are all agreeing--Kuharsky, Kiper, Jaworski--that THE bread and butter of this team is (drum roll please) the ZBS run game. As it goes, so goes the rest of the offense.

This doesn't need to break down into whether we "want" to be balanced, we "are" balanced, or whether we're "run first" or not. It doesn't have to be an argument about whether this team is one way WITH Schaub or another way without him. It doesn't have to depend on stats that show how we run, when we run, and how we pass and when we pass (though the stats GoatCheese provide are very nice to peruse).

At the end of the day, what do you see the Texans as: A great running team with a good pass game....or a great passing team with a good run game? The Colts never hurt defenses with their pure running attack...the RBs, if they got anything, it was always predicated upon Manning exploiting a defense's tendency to play the pass too much. Same with the Saints--Play the pass too heavily against Brees, and BAM! it's a sweep to Sproles and he's around the edge for 6.

It's not enough to say we're balanced. You guys/gals truly believe that our pass game is equal, all things considered, to the run game? I don't.

If a defense against us was only allowed to play straight-up D--no blitzes and no stacking the box--would the Texans wear out that opposing defense with the passing game? No. But our run game...it would get Foster (and Foster would get himself) to the next level every time. I know that's a bit of a stretch example, but still.

Teams respect our passing game, They FEAR our running game.
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I'll say it again, because I think we're getting mixed up (all of us) on semantics.

Teams respect our passing game, They FEAR our running game.
It isn't semantics.

2007 - 11th passing, 22nd rushing.
2008 - 4th passing, 13th rushing.
2009 - 1st passing, 30th rushing.
2010 - 4th passing, 7th rushing.
2011 - 16th passing (damn no Schaub for a third of the season), 2nd rushing.

You can call it semantics (why is it people who want to use that term are almost always throwing it out dismissively? anyway) but the Kubiak Texans have never been a run first team. He's a freaking QB.

Being successful isn't the same thing as design. They spent 2 2nds and $50 mil on Schaub and no pick on Foster.
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Have you watched any games besides 2011 slick?
Does anything but 2011 matter ... slick?

Its 2012 there kiddo, welcome to the present.
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It isn't semantics.

2007 - 11th passing, 22nd rushing.
2008 - 4th passing, 13th rushing.
2009 - 1st passing, 30th rushing.
2010 - 4th passing, 7th rushing.
2011 - 16th passing (damn no Schaub for a third of the season), 2nd rushing.

You can call it semantics (why is it people who want to use that term are almost always throwing it out dismissively? anyway) but the Kubiak Texans have never been a run first team. He's a freaking QB.

Being successful isn't the same thing as design. They spent 2 2nds and $50 mil on Schaub and no pick on Foster.
After this season is over you will look foolish ... football wise. I am sure you are very edumucated on basket weaving, knitting, and parades for alternative lifestyles.

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Foster and Chris O ran the ball 24 times for 70 yards.
That's less than 3 ypc.

Schaub atttempted 51 passes for a net of 403 yards; that's nearly 8 ypa.

I don't see how you can say that the passing game wasn't working, despite JJ (and the rest of the guys for that matter.)
I think you have to see the game, rather than the stats. The Texans passed 2X the number of rushes, yet you are saying they didn't pass enough? And passing ypa will always be greater than rushing yards per attempt. The Texans hit on 3 big pass plays to get a big chunk of that yardage. And only came away with 10 points off those plays. It was a poor offensive showing all around, but it was the negative plays in the passing game (ints & sacks) that kept the Raiders in the game, and eventually lost the game for the Texans.
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After this season is over you will look like the fool you are. Football wise. i am sure you are very edumucated on basket weaving, knitting, and parades for alternative lifestyles.
Well, we sure are fortunate that we have you to show us the truth, because no one besides you seems to understand the complexities of football.

Do you have any real friends? (I'm serious)
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As long as we're a score early and often offense, I don't care which is the chicken or which is the egg...


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At the end of the day, what do you see the Texans as: A great running team with a good pass game....or a great passing team with a good run game?
I'm going with option C) a great offense.
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Does anything but 2011 matter ... slick?

Its 2012 there kiddo, welcome to the present.
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I know this for certain that when Schaub is healthy we almost always open up games throwing the ball quite a bit on our opening drive or 2. Someone may know where to find the ratio on this but Kubiak loves to come out putting the ball in the air. Is this passing to set up the run? I'm not sure, nut one could certainly make that argument.
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I know this for certain that when Schaub is healthy we almost always open up games throwing the ball quite a bit on our opening drive or 2. Someone may know where to find the ratio on this but Kubiak loves to come out putting the ball in the air. Is this passing to set up the run? I'm not sure, nut one could certainly make that argument.
In the games that Schaub started last year...

In 7 of the games, our first 10 plays were split 5-5 between run and pass. Against the Steelers, we ran 6 times in the first 10 plays; against the Ravens and Buccs, we threw 6 times in the first 10 plays.

7 of the 10 games started with a pass being the first play. 5 of the 10 games started with the first 2 plays being passes. Against the Titans and Jags, our first two plays were rushes. In the first two plays overall, we have 13 passes to 7 rushes.

It's interesting to me that the Buccs, and (iirc) the Ravens, had talked a lot the week before the game about how they were going to stop the run. And then we came out passing.

So, yeah. I could see how you could get the feeling that Kubiak likes to come out airing the ball out. He does throw a lot in the first 2 plays of the game but after 10 plays, it normally balances out.
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In the games that Schaub started last year...

In 7 of the games, our first 10 plays were split 5-5 between run and pass. Against the Steelers, we ran 6 times in the first 10 plays; against the Ravens and Buccs, we threw 6 times in the first 10 plays.

7 of the 10 games started with a pass being the first play. 5 of the 10 games started with the first 2 plays being passes. Against the Titans and Jags, our first two plays were rushes. In the first two plays overall, we have 13 passes to 7 rushes.

It's interesting to me that the Buccs, and (iirc) the Ravens, had talked a lot the week before the game about how they were going to stop the run. And then we came out passing.

So, yeah. I could see how you could get the feeling that Kubiak likes to come out airing the ball out. He does throw a lot in the first 2 plays of the game but after 10 plays, it normally balances out.
That's kind of been Kubiak's MO since Schaub has been here to open up the game throwing the ball. Like you put in your post though it seems to balance out after the first few plays.

It used to drive me nuts in 2010 when Arian was just shredding teams up, but I also thought there was a method to his madness because Arian would seem to get stronger late in the games. I can't remember hardly any games in 2010 when we came out running the ball early. Again, this is based purely on my memory so I could be wrong. At the end of the day though, the balance always seems to be there when we have an efficient running game whether it was with Slaton, or Foster/Tate.
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Foster and Chris O ran the ball 24 times for 70 yards.
That's less than 3 ypc.

Schaub atttempted 51 passes for a net of 403 yards; that's nearly 8 ypa.

I don't see how you can say that the passing game wasn't working, despite JJ (and the rest of the guys for that matter.)
It's not Schaub's fault that some of the passes were dropped.
It wasn't just JJ.
Vickers, for example, also dropped a sure TD when he was wide-open.
Yeah, that made my heart sink. No defender within15 yds and the goal line straight ahead. That cost us the game right there. I had a sick feeling in my gut.
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Kubiak opens with passing game because defenses are keying on the run.

They've got Arian Foster on their mind all week leading up to the game against us. They've got Foster on their mind Sunday breakfast. And in the locker room. And during warmups. And during the national anthem.

So you go with a few passes right off the bat...because they're anticipating Foster.

Then the run game. Then the play action. Then AJ or OD. And soon, the defense doesn't know what to defend.
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