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Old 06-28-2012   #21
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good for schaub taking initiative, but leaders are born on the field. organizing team workouts makes him a team manager, not a leader..
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I've given Matt his due. 2009, I thought he should have been in the conversation of best QB in the league. But he hasn't played that way since. Regardless what the stats say, it's not about stats. It's about making things happen, and giving your team a chance to win.

I think he gives up too early on plays. Third down & 5, third and 15..... doesn't matter. If the play doesn't unfold as designed, the smart money is on him throwing it in the stands, or on a knee.....
And yet in another thread you have a low opinion of Brady's 1st few years in the league even though he made things happen and gave his team a chance to win 3 Super Bowls. Make up your mind.
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And yet in another thread you have a low opinion of Brady's 1st few years in the league even though he made things happen and gave his team a chance to win 3 Super Bowls. Make up your mind.

Are you talking about the tuck? Is that making it happen?
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Stuff like this doesn't impress me as leadership.

Him throwing that ball away too early... giving up on plays too early. That's what stops me from thinking of Schaub as a leader.

I don't have a problem with a QB throwing the ball away or giving up on plays. And I'm not saying he hasn't taken a few hits from standing & delivering in the face of danger.

I'm just saying it's been to far & between and I think he gives up too early more often than not.

He can lead a thousand tupper-ware parties for all I care & I won't be convinced that he is the leader we need him to be.

Good QB. Second tier QB... yup.

Super Bowl caliber.... eh...
Like he gave up on that play in washington 2 years ago . I dont see him give up on plays early, we cant see what he sees on the field. The Schaub i watch every gameday does his best to make us win games.
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I am interested to hear how everyone defines leadership, whether it be their personal experience playing ball or in biz life.
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Kinda related, I guess, but do they make a brace or some sort of support for his type of injury? Something that might help to prevent re-injury?
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Stuff like this doesn't impress me as leadership.

Him throwing that ball away too early... giving up on plays too early. That's what stops me from thinking of Schaub as a leader.

I don't have a problem with a QB throwing the ball away or giving up on plays. And I'm not saying he hasn't taken a few hits from standing & delivering in the face of danger.

I'm just saying it's been to far & between and I think he gives up too early more often than not.
I'll give you $50 for a bag of what you are smoking on Sundays if you think Schaub bails plays early.
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I'll give you $50 for a bag of what you are smoking on Sundays if you think Schaub bails plays early.
Where should I deliver? I smoke Pall Mall menthols, I'll put a couple of packs in a bag for ya, cost me $9.50.

But I definitely think Shaub bails early.
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But I definitely think Shaub bails early
Yeah, like bails the season early.

More bailed seasons than completed seasons.

This has to be the year he changes that, or he goes into lifelong back-up mode on his way to retirement.
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Kinda related, I guess, but do they make a brace or some sort of support for his type of injury? Something that might help to prevent re-injury?
A "brace" would be not be helpful for this type of injury. However, I expect that they will have a supportive custom molded carbon graphite full-length orthotic shoe fitted.
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The players respected Schaub as the leader from day 1, I've never heard a bad word said about him from anyone in the team, or anyone who's left the team for that matter. He's a good leader who's players buy into his leadership.

Organising a bit of throw and catch here and there doesn't affect it in the slightest. However, it does show a good togetherness amongst the players which is a positive.

Its also very positive that Schaub is now ready to go, I love me some TJ, but Schaub is by far the better option if healthy.
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Are you kidding me?

How many years has Schaub been here again?

And this is the first time ... the very first time ... I have ever heard or read that Schaub "bails too early".

Some of you are just out of your freaking minds.
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Are you kidding me?

How many years has Schaub been here again?

And this is the first time ... the very first time ... I have ever heard or read that Schaub "bails too early".

Some of you are just out of your freaking minds.
In fact there have been comments he takes unnecessary hits from holding the ball to the last moment.

I'm starting to think the guy takes flack for looking like Mr. Magoo instead of Handsome Harry. It's like nothing he does can be correct.
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I'm starting to think the guy takes flack for looking like Mr. Magoo instead of Handsome Harry. It's like nothing he does can be correct.
I've been saying the same thing for years. I've given him credit in 2009 for being the guy we need. I've been saying he needs to get back to playing the way he did in 2009.

Or even in last year's Raiders game. First half, he was all non-challant in the first half, like he just knew we were going to win the game... what ever happened happened & he was a little too cautious with the ball.

Then late in the third, it was like someone kicked him into gear & he started to make things happen.

I wish I could agree with all of you all the time. But I can't. & this time, I've given examples of what I'm talking about & what the difference is. If you're not seeing it, that's fine. But don't come at me like I'm smoking something.... where should I send those Pall Mall's by the way?
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I wish I could agree with all of you all the time. But I can't. & this time, I've given examples of what I'm talking about & what the difference is. If you're not seeing it, that's fine. But don't come at me like I'm smoking something.... where should I send those Pall Mall's by the way?
I'd look back at your examples but my DVD cratered. Oh well. My overall impression is just different than yours. If anything I would say Schaub takes unnecessary punishment. I really can't see where you say he bails early. Either way, the few times I smoke they aren't menthol.
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It must have been hard for Schaub to watch the success last year after so many mediocre seasons. He has to have a big chip on his shoulder this year. I expect an exuberant year from him and AJ, two veterans with something to prove.
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I am interested to hear how everyone defines leadership, whether it be their personal experience playing ball or in biz life.
The reason that I say that I think shammy is a good leader is simply based off of what I've seen from the people around him. I've never seen a player on the team show the smallest hint of a lack of faith in him. To me that is an indication of leadership. The offense has never quit on him. Kubiak gets credit for the team never quitting, but schaub deserves some of that too.

But I'm not in that locker room so I can't 100% say he is a great leader.

For me leadership in sports and some other areas starts with performance. If you are not a good player and have never been a good player some people just won't take you serious. The better you are the more people will look to you.

Next id say is the ability to make others around you better. And this is where different styles come into play. Some people are talkative and know what to say to other people. Some people are quiet and can just give a look that let's you know you need to do better.

But basically that's what it is for me:

1) be great or really good at what you do

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I've been saying the same thing for years. I've given him credit in 2009 for being the guy we need. I've been saying he needs to get back to playing the way he did in 2009.

Or even in last year's Raiders game. First half, he was all non-challant in the first half, like he just knew we were going to win the game... what ever happened happened & he was a little too cautious with the ball.

Then late in the third, it was like someone kicked him into gear & he started to make things happen.

I wish I could agree with all of you all the time. But I can't. & this time, I've given examples of what I'm talking about & what the difference is. If you're not seeing it, that's fine. But don't come at me like I'm smoking something.... where should I send those Pall Mall's by the way?
The only examples where you're saying Schaub "bailed early" that I can recall is when there was no where to go with the ball. I remember the commentators saying they were "smart throw aways". Is that what we're talking about here?
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A "brace" would be not be helpful for this type of injury. However, I expect that they will have a supportive custom molded carbon graphite full-length orthotic shoe fitted.
Something with a hard shell protecting from being stepped on would make me feel better?
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You can't go by their words. It's their actions, what they do & how they do it. From the Grid Iron, it's obvious they understand he is the QB of the team & they know the pecking order.


Nah...... yelling at people is a quality of poor leadership. If I showed up at work tomorrow & started yelling at everyone, I doubt they'd be thinking what a great leader I am. If I were promoted & started yelling, they might do what I'd say, recognize the pecking order, but they won't consider me their leader. Boss.... yes. Leader, not so much.



Who said anything about Brady, Manning, etc......

I've given Matt his due. 2009, I thought he should have been in the conversation of best QB in the league. But he hasn't played that way since. Regardless what the stats say, it's not about stats. It's about making things happen, and giving your team a chance to win.

I think he gives up too early on plays. Third down & 5, third and 15..... doesn't matter. If the play doesn't unfold as designed, the smart money is on him throwing it in the stands, or on a knee.....
My post was basically a sarcastic way of saying there isn't much Schaub can do to change the minds of the "Schaub's not a leader" group. Anyone that knows, played and watched football can tell he's a decent leader. Not sure what to tell y'all.

Is his durability a question? Yeah, I think that's safe to say, but I don't think his leadership should be questioned at this point.

I've been watching games from last year starting week 1. I must say, anyone that's thinking or saying TJ should be the starter is flat clueless.
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