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Old 06-22-2012   #1
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Jaguars: $25.1 million.

Titans: $19.97 million.

Eagles: $18.02 million.

Browns: $17.7 million.

Bengals: $16.58 million.

Chiefs: $16.54 million.

Buccaneers: $15.74 million.

Colts: $14.59 million.

Packers: $11.25 million.

Patriots: $10.93 million.

Broncos: $10.87 million.

Vikings: $10.59 million.

Panthers: $8.76 million.

Seahawks: $7.47 million.

Bills: $7.38 million.

Cowboys: $7.18 million.

Redskins: $6.97 million.

Jets: $6.04 million.

Cardinals: $4.55 million.

Dolphins: $4.45 million.

49ers: $4.19 million.

Texans: $4.05 million.

Bears: $3.97 million.

Lions: $3.77 million.

Rams: $3.60 million.

Steelers: $3.58 million.

Giants: $3.11 million.

Chargers: $2.86 million.

Falcons: $2.83 million.

Saints: $2.27 million.

Raiders: $1.34 million.

Ravens: $606,000.
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Lots of teams up against the cap .... Could see a lot of teams in the position the Texans found themselves in this offseason losing / cutting guy's who you wouldnt expect.
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How the f!@k does the eagles "dream team" have 18 mil?
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How the f!@k does the eagles "dream team" have 18 mil?
Must be like the NFLs version of the Yankees. I dont see how after spending ALL that money 2 seasons ago they have that much.
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Ravens are screwed if they dont win a SB soon
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How is PFT calculating this amount? Is it based on our current 90 man roster, if so we'll be trimming alot in training camp and have more money available to pick up our WR#2 once the season starts. Or is it based on our 52 highest contracts? Either way that figure should go up toward the end of training camp due to cuts and then we can pick up some decent quality players from other teams cuts. Just wondering how they came up with that figure.
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have more money available to pick up our WR#2 once the season starts.
That wouldnt make sense to wait until camp is over to go after a #2. The #2 is on the team right now. Whoever that is the coaches probably already have a good idea. That person needs to be in camp learning the system.
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Lots of teams up against the cap .... Could see a lot of teams in the position the Texans found themselves in this offseason losing / cutting guy's who you wouldnt expect.
The rest of the AFC South, though, doesn't seem to be in that position now.
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How is PFT calculating this amount? Is it based on our current 90 man roster, if so we'll be trimming alot in training camp and have more money available to pick up our WR#2 once the season starts. Or is it based on our 52 highest contracts? Either way that figure should go up toward the end of training camp due to cuts and then we can pick up some decent quality players from other teams cuts. Just wondering how they came up with that figure.

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For now, the cap space is determined by the top 51 contracts on the roster. Once the season begins, each team must fill all 53 players on the active roster and any players on any reserve lists under the spending ceiling.

Under the new CBA, teams automatically may carry over any remaining cap space to the next league year. Only the Texans (who have $4.05 million in cap room) and the Chargers (who have $2.86 million) opted to import none of their leftover space from 2011.
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That makes no sense to me, why wouldnt a team want to carry over cap ?? If not dont u just lose it ?
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That makes no sense to me, why wouldnt a team want to carry over cap ?? If not dont u just lose it ?
I recall reading some time ago that a team needed something like 500k or more space to be eligible to carry over, but we were under the threshold. On my phone, so I can't look it up
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If this cap space is the reference for next year I don't see how we will be able to afford extensions with Schaub, Brown and Barwin without making more cuts like Antonio and Walter...the bleeding continues.
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If this cap space is the reference for next year I don't see how we will be able to afford extensions with Schaub, Brown and Barwin without making more cuts like Antonio and Walter...the bleeding continues.
When extensions get done it generally lowers the cap hit for the current year other than on rookie contracts. So Schaub and Smith getting extensions would create more cap space and then Brown and Barwin could be signed up. Even with Brown and Barwin players are typically willing to take small salaries in the first year because they will also be receiving a signing bonus. The payroll would be high due to all the signing bonus money but the cap hit is workable.
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I recall reading some time ago that a team needed something like 500k or more space to be eligible to carry over, but we were under the threshold. On my phone, so I can't look it up
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The Houston Texans and San Diego Chargers didn't have enough remaining room to push money over into 2012, so Houston has $3.3 million of cap space and San Diego has $9.2 million.
This still didn't make any sense to me in that, per the new CBA, any and all unused monies can be transferred over to the next year. There is no apparent minimum.

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Under Article 13, Section 6(b)(v) of the CBA, each team may carry over any remaining cap room from one year to the next by submitting written notice, signed by the owner of the team, to the league office no later than 14 days before the start of the next league year. The written notice must indicate the maximum amount of cap room that the team wishes to shift from one cap year to the next.
Dutchrudder, I dug this up from the archives..........one of your old posts (of Feb 15, 2012)......that refers to the $1.08 million. It shows carry over for both houston and San Diego. Could they forgotten the deadline? I would hope that would not be the explanation.:

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/arc...p?t-89821.html

This source also affirms this $1.08 number.:

http://joshmitchell24.wordpress.com/...e-agency-2012/
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This still didn't make any sense to me in that, per the new CBA, any and all unused monies can be transferred over to the next year. There is no apparent minimum.



Dutchrudder, I dug this up from the archives..........one of your old posts (of Feb 15, 2012)......that refers to the $1.08 million. It shows carry over for both houston and San Diego. Could they forgotten the deadline? I would hope that would not be the explanation.:

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/arc...p?t-89821.html

This source also affirms this $1.08 number.:

http://joshmitchell24.wordpress.com/...e-agency-2012/
Forgot the deadline, maybe thats what they mean when they say the two teams Choose not to carry over any remaining money. I hope thats not the case - And can we get rid of this mario smiley, if i recall he is no longer a texan
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The rest of the AFC South, though, doesn't seem to be in that position now.
Yeah , what does that say about the Texans "window of opportunity"?

Its obvious the Tits and Dolts will have the means to close the gap in talent next year while the Texans may take a step back.


It could be this season or bust .... if they cant figure out how to solve the cap issues.
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Yeah , what does that say about the Texans "window of opportunity"?

Its obvious the Tits and Dolts will have the means to close the gap in talent next year while the Texans may take a step back.


It could be this season or bust .... if they cant figure out how to solve the cap issues.
There was a thread on this a couple of weeks ago. It's hard to translate today to next season. In addition to expiring contracts, we've got dead money (Demeco, Winston, and even Okoye as examples) that will be dropping off. Demeco's trade cost money against this years cap, so clearly that was done with an eye towards next years cap situation. I also think the fact that a restructure was never even discussed with Winston says that move was likely as much about next years cap space as it was this years.

Clayton did a piece which started the previously mentioned discussion. He stated that as of now, the Texans are actually fifth on the list of available cap room for 2013 ($9 Million better off than Tenneesee). Here's a quote and a link to the article - maybe things won't be so horrible after all. No clue as to where he gets his numbers, but given it's Clayton, I'll put as much credibility in them as anyone.

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Clayton did a piece which started the previously mentioned discussion. He stated that as of now, the Texans are actually fifth on the list of available cap room for 2013 ($9 Million better off than Tenneesee).
But as someone else pointed out, we've got to use that available cap room to try to sign our own guys. Schaub, Brown, and Barwin don't count against the cap in 2013 because they'll be free agents.
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But as someone else pointed out, we've got to use that available cap room to try to sign our own guys. Schaub, Brown, and Barwin don't count against the cap in 2013 because they'll be free agents.
Thats a big chunck of change going to those three - and if all they have is $24.8m to spend among them , I dont believe its enough to keep all three.


Who else is in the final year of their deal this year ?! I believe Rashad Butler will also be a FA.


I can see them asking a couple guy's to take pay cuts or extending them to free up space - Antonio Smith ? OD ? Maybe Wade Smith let go ....

The following year you have Cushing coming up as a FA .... Its gonna be costly to keep him.
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