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Old 07-11-2012   #141
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Default Re: Solomon: The Texans Would Like to Sign Brown, Barwin, Schaub Before the Season

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To pay him upwards of 12+ million a year he has to take the team into the playoffs and win some games IMHO. He has to stay healthy, he's missed the following games:

5 in 2007
5 in 2008
6 in 2011

So in short he's missed and entire season out of 5 seasons that we've had him on the roster. Not what I would consider stellar, but again he's putting up numbers but then again so did and here we go: Sage Rosenfels.. so we have to ask ourselves are we a system offense that we plug certain types of players in and ask them not to do just their job?

I'm going to eat some huge crow here, but the more and more I watch Gary come over the hurdles the more and more I have respect for his system on offense, he still doesn't know jack about playing defense though. I think he's probably one of the top offensive minds in the game, but not the best HC.
Please compare injuries to everyone's hall of famer Andre Johnson.
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Please compare injuries to everyone's hall of famer Andre Johnson.
Point taken, but you have to consider that QB's are generally protected. While WR's are out there getting blasted.
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Point taken, but you have to consider that QB's are generally protected. While WR's are out there getting blasted.
I think if you look back on the injuries suffered by Matt, you'd find that he wasn't generally protected. :-) Ironically Andre wasn't touched last season.
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I think if you look back on the injuries suffered by Matt, you'd find that he wasn't generally protected. :-) Ironically Andre wasn't touched last season.
That's because one guy is mobile and the other isn't.

It's no mystery why Schaub is continually hurt. AJ has been grinding out 1,000 yard seasons for many years now, it's expected for him to gimp up on his own. Schaub is getting rolled on, stepped on, smacked down, etc...and it's a product of his pocket preference.

Yes, Schaub stares down a blitz. And Yes, he gives every pass play a full effort. But damn almighty he's a glutton for punishment. Thats not out of preference, IMO, that's out of sheer lack of mobility.

We need a more mobile QB. Schaub is our best chance for 2012, but I'd really prefer someone who has wheels and can pass too. This is where I get labeled "Schaub hater," btw. In 3, 2, 1....LOL.
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Please compare injuries to everyone's hall of famer Andre Johnson.
Andre Johnson over 8 years has played in 85% of our games
Matt Schaub over 5 years has played in 80% of our games.
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Point taken, but you have to consider that QB's are generally protected. While WR's are out there getting blasted.
Schaub has been taken out by Haynesworth twice, IIRC.

Once it was the shoulder when Fat Albert was in Tennessee.

Again, this time it was Matt's foot, when Fat Albert was with the Bucs.

Minus Albert Haynesworth, Matt Schaub would have played in a about 10 more games than he has.
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Default Re: Solomon: The Texans Would Like to Sign Brown, Barwin, Schaub Before the Season

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Andre Johnson over 8 years has played in 85% of our games
Matt Schaub over 5 years has played in 80% of our games.
6 games of which have been due to flagged & fined illegal hits. Take those out and Schaub has played in 86.5%.
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6 games of which have been due to flagged & fined illegal hits. Take those out and Schaub has played in 86.5%.
Schaub has always been injury prone, are you trying to talk yourself out of that? He never even played a full 3-4 years in college, and hurt his shoulder even then. I admit the last two years have been better and his ankle kind of a freak accident in some way, but Matt Schaub doesn't seem to be the most durable QB's we've seen.

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Schaub has always been injury prone, are you trying to talk yourself out of that?
I'm not trying to talk myself out of anything. I have consistently opposed calling players injury prone when they do not have repetitive injuries of the same type. Getting a concussion from being blind sided in San Diego didn't mean he was any more or less susceptible to having Jared Allen hit his knee twice and neither of them had anything to do with Fat Albert landing just so on his foot. I think injury prone is thrown around far too much in general.
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Ok he isnt injury prone. He's just prone to being injured.
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Ok he isnt injury prone. He's just prone to being injured.
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ok he isnt injury prone. He's just prone to being injured.
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Schaub has always been injury prone, are you trying to talk yourself out of that? He never even played a full 3-4 years in college, and hurt his shoulder even then. I admit the last two years have been better and his ankle kind of a freak accident in some way, but Matt Schaub doesn't seem to be the most durable QB's we've seen.

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Schaub is not the most durable, but much of the time he has missed is due to defenders intentionally taking him out. People forget about Drayton Florence of the Chargers getting fined for landing a vicious late hit to Schaub's lower back, causing missed games. Or Richard Seymour getting fined a couple of years ago for going for Schaub's knees. And when Allen went for his knees, he did it twice in the same game just to make sure he got the job done. I think defensive coordinators know about Schaub's durability issues, and instruct their guys to exploit it. It's the only way Albert Haynesworth knows how to beat him.

I also think that Rick Smith's reluctance to sign Schaub has less to do with durability than it does with Schaub proving he's the same player post-recovery. I have my own concerns about that, considering that the injury is on his planting foot.
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Schaub is not the most durable, but much of the time he has missed is due to defenders intentionally taking him out. People forget about Drayton Florence of the Chargers getting fined for landing a vicious late hit to Schaub's lower back, causing missed games. Or Richard Seymour getting fined a couple of years ago for going for Schaub's knees. And when Allen went for his knees, he did it twice in the same game just to make sure he got the job done. I think defensive coordinators know about Schaub's durability issues, and instruct their guys to exploit it. It's the only way Albert Haynesworth knows how to beat him.

I also think that Rick Smith's reluctance to sign Schaub has less to do with durability than it does with Schaub proving he's the same player post-recovery. I have my own concerns about that, considering that the injury is on his planting foot.
Kind of has me thinking about the whole Saints Bountygate scandal. You know these other Defenses talk about hitting Schaub hard and trying to "take him out" or "rattle him".
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Schaub has always been injury prone, are you trying to talk yourself out of that? He never even played a full 3-4 years in college, and hurt his shoulder even then. I admit the last two years have been better and his ankle kind of a freak accident in some way, but Matt Schaub doesn't seem to be the most durable QB's we've seen.

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If you are not looking at what caused injury, should you not use same criteria when identifying a player as injury prone? AJ and Schaub have missed almost same amount of games. If either is "prone" so is the other. FWIW, imo neither are prone.
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He never even played a full 3-4 years in college, and hurt his shoulder even then.
He had one injury in college - the opposite shoulder.
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Yes This story belongs in Texans talk... for 2 reasons.
  1. This two time Loser just inked a $35M contract; $13.5 Guaranteed
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    So, maybe two time loser is a little strong. But, my point is what's Barwin going to command next offseason?
  2. Why didn't they mention Schaub when Wimbley will be chasing him twice a year.
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    Can Wimbley, a healthy Derrick Morgan opposite him on the line, and the coaching of Millard make the Titans’ defense more threatening to passers they’ll face such as Tom Brady, Philip Rivers, Matthew Stafford, Ben Roethlisberger, Jay Cutler and Aaron Rodgers?

    I know it's BSPN & I'm not the most ardent Schaub fan; but I'm offended.
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Without a solid secondary, the d-line and even linebackers while talented, will have a hard time getting to the QB.
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Is it a Kuharsky article?
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