Solomon: The Texans Would Like to Sign Brown, Barwin, Schaub Before the Season

[TejasTom]

Originally Posted by badboy

If I was Schaub's agent & believed him healthy as stated, I would ask him to play 2012 and then test FA. Another 4,000 yard season could bring him a 5 year deal $65- $70m deal.

Nobody is going to give a "system qb"* that kind if money....



* I don't believe he is one.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by badboy

If I was Schaub's agent & believed him healthy as stated, I would ask him to play 2012 and then test FA. Another 4,000 yard season could bring him a 5 year deal $65- $70m deal.

This is the NFL. Yards aren't going to get Matt a lot of money. Jon Kitna put up some hella stats (yards) & he went to Dallas as a back-up.

Matt's got to put together some wins & with the defense & running game he's got now, that shouldn't be a problem. Everybody knows he's capable of putting up 300 yard games. But he needs to be that guy who got out thrown by Colt McCoy in Cleveland last year. Doing what needs to be done when it needs to be done & getting the W. Like Tenn, Jax, Clev & TB last year.

It's not about the stats, the W is the only thing that matters.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

This is the NFL. Yards aren't going to get Matt a lot of money. Jon Kitna put up some hella stats (yards) & he went to Dallas as a back-up.

Pretty sure badboy meant another Schaub type of 4000 yd season - Kitna had more INTs than TDs and a QB rating of 80 rather than one near 100.

Oh and Kitna was a fumbling machine - 28 fumbles in two years. That was 70 fumbles/INTs in two years.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

This is the NFL. Yards aren't going to get Matt a lot of money. Jon Kitna put up some hella stats (yards) & he went to Dallas as a back-up.

Matt's got to put together some wins & with the defense & running game he's got now, that shouldn't be a problem. Everybody knows he's capable of putting up 300 yard games. But he needs to be that guy who got out thrown by Colt McCoy in Cleveland last year. Doing what needs to be done when it needs to be done & getting the W. Like Tenn, Jax, Clev & TB last year.

It's not about the stats, the W is the only thing that matters.

Disagree 100%. QB are a precious commodity and we see over reaches every year. Every coach thinks he can take someone elses junk and make a treasure and Matt Schaub is not junk. I am not a huge Matt fan but unless Yates is real deal, we better hope Schaub wants to play in Houston after this season. I smile when I see posters saying "offer him this or that". He can say no to all of it.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Pretty sure badboy meant another Schaub type of 4000 yd season - Kitna had more INTs than TDs and a QB rating of 80 rather than one near 100.

Oh and Kitna was a fumbling machine - 28 fumbles in two years. That was 70 fumbles/INTs in two years.

This exactly. Thanks Icak. If Schaub had not been injured many think he could have had another very good year & maybe taken us to SB. If healthy he has an even better chance this season. He should sign a much better contract whether with Texans or someone else.

[HOU-TEX]

We have 11-12 days to sign Posey and Brooks before they're due to report for rookie camp on the 22nd.

*A random HOU-TEX observation*

[The Pencil Neck]

Originally Posted by HOU-TEX

We have 11-12 days to sign Posey and Brooks before they're due to report for rookie camp on the 22nd.

*A random HOU-TEX observation*

[silvrhand]

Originally Posted by badboy

This exactly. Thanks Icak. If Schaub had not been injured many think he could have had another very good year & maybe taken us to SB. If healthy he has an even better chance this season. He should sign a much better contract whether with Texans or someone else.

But he hasn't and right now Yates has more playoff wins than Schaub. Schaub has thrown up great numbers but just not gotten the wins/respect he needs to demand that kind of money.

He has to come through this year IMHO, if we pay him before this year I personally think we are nuts.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by badboy

Disagree 100%. QB are a precious commodity and we see over reaches every year. Every coach thinks he can take someone elses junk and make a treasure and Matt Schaub is not junk. I am not a huge Matt fan but unless Yates is real deal, we better hope Schaub wants to play in Houston after this season. I smile when I see posters saying "offer him this or that". He can say no to all of it.

Hasselbeck was a 3x probowler, took the Seahawks to 6 playoff appearances, an NFC Championship game, & a Super Bowl.

$6.6M/yr in Tennessee.

[JB]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Hasselbeck was a 3x probowler, took the Seahawks to 6 playoff appearances, an NFC Championship game, & a Super Bowl.

$6.6M/yr in Tennessee.

He's also 617 yrs old

[Ole Miss Texan]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Hasselbeck was a 3x probowler, took the Seahawks to 6 playoff appearances, an NFC Championship game, & a Super Bowl.

$6.6M/yr in Tennessee.

How much are guys like Matt Cassel, Tony Romo, Mark Sanchez, etc making?

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Hasselbeck was a 3x probowler, took the Seahawks to 6 playoff appearances, an NFC Championship game, & a Super Bowl.

$6.6M/yr in Tennessee.

C'mon. Hasselbeck played in the crappiest division in football. He was a 35 year old QB who had barely sniffed a 90 QB rating once in the prior 5 years. In his best year in the 3 prior years he had a 75 QB rating. Schaub's QB rating over the last 4 seasons is 95. Their resumes are nothing alike in any relevant time period.

[ChampionTexan]

Originally Posted by JB

He's also 617 yrs old

And threw for 3001 yds, 12 TD's, 17 INT's and a QB rating of 73.2 in taking Seahawks to a 7-9 record (and admittedly the NFC Western Division title)the season prior to receiving that contract. The year before that was almost identical except in he threw 17 TD passes (but still 17 int's) and led the team to a 5-9 record in the 14 games he started.

BTW, at the time he signed with the Titans, he hadn't had a QB rating of over 75.2 or a season where he'd thrown more TD's than INT's since '07.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan

How much are guys like Matt Cassel, Tony Romo, Mark Sanchez, etc making?

Cassel signed a 6 year $63M deal, a little more than $10M/yr

Originally Posted by infantrycak

C'mon. Hasselbeck played in the crappiest division in football. He was a 35 year old QB who had barely sniffed a 90 QB rating once in the prior 5 years. In his best year in the 3 prior years he had a 75 QB rating. Schaub's QB rating over the last 4 seasons is 95. Their resumes are nothing alike in any relevant time period.

I agree, Schaub's got a bunch of stats & injuries. Hasselbeck has a bunch of accomplishments & injuries.

But no worries, he ought to rack up 10-12 wins & at least a play-off appearance in 2012, that'll bump up his perceived value.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan

How much are guys like Matt Cassel, Tony Romo, Mark Sanchez, etc making?

Matt Cassel - 3 (about to start his 4th) years ago signed for 6 years, $63 mil.
Tony Romo - 5 years ago signed a 6 year, $67 mil deal.
Mark Sanchez - just signed a 5 year $58 mil deal.

Two of the three I think should be thrown out of any discussion with Schaub and all make over $10 mil/yr.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by silvrhand

But he hasn't and right now Yates has more playoff wins than Schaub. Schaub has thrown up great numbers but just not gotten the wins/respect he needs to demand that kind of money.

He has to come through this year IMHO, if we pay him before this year I personally think we are nuts.

Surely your not comparing Yates to Schaub? DOn't forget TJ would not have been in a play off games without wins under Matt. I agree that it would be best not to sign Matt before health known. Having said that if we wait too long he could go elsewhere and then where are we? I am hoping Yates comes on strong but as # 2 then is able to start.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Hasselbeck was a 3x probowler, took the Seahawks to 6 playoff appearances, an NFC Championship game, & a Super Bowl.

$6.6M/yr in Tennessee.

Hasselbeck 37 YOA in Sept & how long ago was the SB? 2006. If you want to gibe him points for "being there", ok.

Matt just turned 31. WHich one would you want starting this season? Next 4 years?

[silvrhand]

Originally Posted by badboy

Surely your not comparing Yates to Schaub? DOn't forget TJ would not have been in a play off games without wins under Matt. I agree that it would be best not to sign Matt before health known. Having said that if we wait too long he could go elsewhere and then where are we? I am hoping Yates comes on strong but as # 2 then is able to start.

To pay him upwards of 12+ million a year he has to take the team into the playoffs and win some games IMHO. He has to stay healthy, he's missed the following games:

5 in 2007
5 in 2008
6 in 2011

So in short he's missed and entire season out of 5 seasons that we've had him on the roster. Not what I would consider stellar, but again he's putting up numbers but then again so did and here we go: Sage Rosenfels.. so we have to ask ourselves are we a system offense that we plug certain types of players in and ask them not to do just their job?

I'm going to eat some huge crow here, but the more and more I watch Gary come over the hurdles the more and more I have respect for his system on offense, he still doesn't know jack about playing defense though. I think he's probably one of the top offensive minds in the game, but not the best HC.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by silvrhand

To pay him upwards of 12+ million a year he has to take the team into the playoffs and win some games IMHO. He has to stay healthy, he's missed the following games:

5 in 2007
5 in 2008
6 in 2011

So in short he's missed and entire season out of 5 seasons that we've had him on the roster. Not what I would consider stellar, but again he's putting up numbers but then again so did and here we go: Sage Rosenfels.. so we have to ask ourselves are we a system offense that we plug certain types of players in and ask them not to do just their job?

Suddenly I'm reminded of Yao Ming.

[GP]

I'm ready for football.