Solomon: The Texans Would Like to Sign Brown, Barwin, Schaub Before the Season

[ChampionTexan]

Originally Posted by Brisco_County

Smith has still not discussed an extension with Schaub.



Link.

I'm getting closer to believing that Smith wants proof that Schaub is back to 100% effectiveness before any offers are made.

That's actually pretty much the opposite of what Pasquarelli was saying.

The full quote is as follows:

... Houston officials haven't commenced substantive discussions yet about an extension for quarterback Matt Schaub, who is entering the final season of his contract at a base salary of $7 million-plus, but likely will do so before the end of the summer. The Texans seem satisfied that Schaub is well recovered from last year's foot injury. ...

LINK
It kind of changes the context if you add in the part they left out.

[Brisco_County]

Originally Posted by ChampionTexan

That's actually pretty much the opposite of what Pasquarelli was saying.

The full quote is as follows:

LINK
It kind of changes the context if you add in the part they left out.

Good point. The end of summer could mean that the decision depends on what they see from him in preseason.

[Dutchrudder]

Originally Posted by Brisco_County

Smith has still not discussed an extension with Schaub.



Link.

I'm getting closer to believing that Smith wants proof that Schaub is back to 100% effectiveness before any offers are made.

Never heard of that website 'theredzone.org', but considering they have a story about Whitney Mercilus under the Browns section, I'm going to guess they aren't a top notch sports news site.

[Brisco_County]

Originally Posted by Dutchrudder

Never heard of that website 'theredzone.org', but considering they have a story about Whitney Mercilus under the Browns section, I'm going to guess they aren't a top notch sports news site.

They're an aggregator, so I use them for convenience when I'm at work. They pissed me off when they stopped linking to Alan Burge in favor of only Chron.com, but I have yet to find an alternative that aggregates local media for every team.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by Brisco_County

They're an aggregator, so I use them for convenience when I'm at work. They pissed me off when they stopped linking to Alan Burge in favor of only Chron.com, but I have yet to find an alternative that aggregates local media for every team.

Try prosportsdaily.com

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Brisco_County

Smith has still not discussed an extension with Schaub.



Link.

I'm getting closer to believing that Smith wants proof that Schaub is back to 100% effectiveness before any offers are made.

I agree & hope Matt is okay with that. Seems to reason he would be; but can that be determined in TC?

[CloakNNNdagger]

Schaub’s future in Houston hinges on many factors
Posted by Mike Florio on July 6, 2012, 11:49 AM EDT
Matt Schaub AP

Maybe it’s a sign of the sssslow times right now in the NFL, but I’ve become fascinated lately with the quarterback situation in Houston. Starter Matt Schaub enters the final year of his six-season contract, but no talks on an extension have occurred. Schaub says that he sees himself sticking around for the long haul, as he tries to finish what he has started (but hopefully not in the Colt McCoy way).

It remains too early to know with any certainty how this one will play out, but that won’t stop me from speculating about it. (Does it ever?) After discussing the situation earlier this morning in Houston, via a weekly spot on In the Loop with Nick and Lopez (SportsRadio 610), I decided to sit down (then again, I already was sitting) and type up the various factors that will influence Schaub’s future.

1. How much money does he want?

In 2007, he received a second-to-third-tier contract upon being traded to the Texans. As he makes $7 million in the final season of a six-year deal that averaged $8 million per year, the biggest and most important question is whether he wants to be paid at a significantly higher rate going forward.

2. How much will the Texans pay?

G.M. Rick Smith seems to be implementing a meticulous plan when it comes to building and tweaking and reloading and maintaining his roster. Right now, the Texans boast a great defense, a great running game, a great offense line, and a top-heavy receiving corps.

Given those realities, Smith surely has a number in mind, driven by considerations like Schaub’s value on the open market, the other areas of need on the roster (left tackle Duane Brown will be a free agent in March, too), the “need” to have a highly-compensation quarterback, and the team’s other options at the position.

3. So, what other options do they have?

While the Texans may not enjoy the broad array of free-agent and/or trade options at quarterback that were available earlier this year, they possibly have an in-house ace in waiting. T.J. Yates performed admirably as a rookie fifth-rounder, and he gives the Texans a low-cost option at the position, especially since the CBA prevents his contract from being renegotiated until after the 2013 season.

4. Can Rick Smith continue to be dispassionate about his personnel decisions?

Smith seems to pride himself (as he should) on making decisions with the name on the back of the jersey removed. That approach could face its biggest test with Schaub.

Yes, Smith was able to part ways with guys like Mario Williams (who left via free agency), DeMeco Ryans (who was traded), and Eric Winston (who was cut). But more than ever it’s a quarterback-driven league. Would Smith be able to watch Schaub walk away?

5. Would the Texans use the franchise tag?

For the same reasons the Ravens likely wouldn’t tag Joe Flacco, the Texans likely wouldn’t sink more than $15 million in cap space into a quarterback who has yet to play at a $15 million-per-year level. Even if it’s done to retain “dibs” as negotiations continue, the one-year guaranteed salary becomes the launching pad for the long-term deal. Besides, with Duane Brown also due to be a free agent, the Texans could be more likely to use the tag on him, especially since the franchise tender for offensive linemen better correlates with Brown’s value.

6. How good do the Texans think Schaub is?

That’s perhaps the most important question, something to which we’ll never know the complete and truthful answer. When considering the league’s other quarterbacks — via a simple exercise of “which guy would you rather have?” – it’s hard to see Schaub even in the top half of the league.

Schaub easily loses the quarterback version of the card game “war” with, by our count, at least 16 starters. Here they are, in no particular order: Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Matthew Stafford, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco (the postseason record was the difference), Tony Romo, Cam Newton, Mike Vick, Peyton Manning, Jay Cutler, and rookies Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin, III.

While there’s no reason to currently believe Schaub won’t be back with the Texans in 2013, there’s reason to believe it’s not as easy of a question as it may seem. In the end, Schaub may have to prove that he can do what Yates did in 2011: Take the team to the playoffs and win at least one postseason game.

We’ll be taking a closer look at the situation at the top of the hour on PFT Live with someone who knows a thing or two (or a million) about the Texans, John McClain of the Houston Chronicle.

Notably absent from the "factoring" discussion is any comment Schaub's "health" / recent Lisfranc.

[paycheck71]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

Schaub easily loses the quarterback version of the card game “war” with, by our count, at least 16 starters. Here they are, in no particular order: Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Matthew Stafford, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco (the postseason record was the difference), Tony Romo, Cam Newton, Mike Vick, Peyton Manning, Jay Cutler, and rookies Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin, III.

Yeah, he lost me with this. If healthy, I'm taking Schaub in the upcoming season over Luck, RG3, Vick, Flacco, and maybe Ryan (that's a wash to me). If you take age and "potential" into consideration, sure, some of those young guys would beat him out, but for now, I don't think so...

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

Can we put a number on Schaub guys?

He averaged $8M/yr since 2007. Carson Palmer is making about $12M/yr. Eli Manning is making Eli Manning is making $16M/yr.

If Schaub told you right now, that he wants a new contract before the season started & he told you he wanted $12M/yr, what would you tell him?

[Ole Miss Texan]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Can we put a number on Schaub guys?

He averaged $8M/yr since 2007. Carson Palmer is making about $12M/yr. Eli Manning is making Eli Manning is making $16M/yr.

If Schaub told you right now, that he wants a new contract before the season started & he told you he wanted $12M/yr, what would you tell him?

That's likely a fair 'average' value for him. I'd tell him if he wants a signed contract then it's going to be incentive laden depending on # of games he plays this year, possibly next. He HAS to prove to me that his foot is healed and that he's not going to miss half a season in 2012. If he feels that good about it, great. If not.... then it's a wait and see approach for both parties.

We'll see if we could fit that under the cap this season or not. Duane Brown is the must sign of the offseason next year though, in my opinion.

[ckhouston]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

If Schaub told you right now, that he wants a new contract before the season started & he told you he wanted $12M/yr, what would you tell him?

Dont let the door hit you in the ...

[Ryan]

I'd be fine with giving Schaub about 12 million a year but i would be uncomfortable giving him an extension for longer than 3 years, 4 years maximum.

[CloakNNNdagger]

McClain was interviewed by Mike Florio on PFT LIVE

When asked about what's happening with Schaub's contract, he replied:

They're (the Texans) are not going to give him an extension 'til he proves he can stay healthy, that he can, indeed bounce back from the Lisfranc surgery that he had...............this is his 6th year in the system and he has not finished 3 of those seasons...........I think it's a non issue (signing him to a contract) until the end of the season.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

McClain was interviewed by Mike Florio on PFT LIVE

When asked about what's happening with Schaub's contract, he replied:

He may end up getting lucky and being correct about the timing but as far as I can tell McLain, other than being a walrus which apparently has a distinction related to the next comment, knows dick.

[ATRAIN]

Correct me if im wrong but isnt Franchise Tagging a QB pretty expensive and painfull towards a cap hit?

[beerlover]

Kubiak just signed his extension for three years so it should be for Matt. 33 million with 15 guarenteed could be in his neighborhood. Nice little bump without destroying teams cap space.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by ATRAIN

Correct me if im wrong but isnt Franchise Tagging a QB pretty expensive and painfull towards a cap hit?

Very much so. Brees franchise tag this season was over $16 million.

Originally Posted by beerlover

Kubiak just signed his extension for three years so it should be for Matt. 33 million with 15 guarenteed could be in his neighborhood. Nice little bump without destroying teams cap space.

Apples and oranges. There are no questions entering the season in regards to Kubiak's mobility and ability to stay healthy. Also, Kubiak could be fired with no repercussion to the salary cap. I would like to see Schaub on the field in 2012 before extending him with a gob of guaranteed money.

[GP]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

If Schaub told you right now, that he wants a new contract before the season started & he told you he wanted $12M/yr, what would you tell him?

My response, what I would do if he asked for that prior to playing 2012???



Just replace the luggage on the carousel with his $12 million contract request.

[badboy]

If I was Schaub's agent & believed him healthy as stated, I would ask him to play 2012 and then test FA. Another 4,000 yard season could bring him a 5 year deal $65- $70m deal.

[SteveSlaton20]

Originally Posted by badboy

If I was Schaub's agent & believed him healthy as stated, I would ask him to play 2012 and then test FA. Another 4,000 yard season could bring him a 5 year deal $65- $70m deal.

Even if he does have a good season, I don't see him getting more than $10M a year. If he's going to get a 5yr $70M deal, he's going have to get 30> TDs and 4500> yards IMO.

Doubt he'll test the FA tho. He'll probably get around $10M a year to save some cap space, maybe less.