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Old 08-27-2012   #181
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At this point, the uncertainty of Schaub's rehab is nullified. On Saturday against the Saints, he was more confident and sharp since I can remember. From what we've seen of his preseason, we have enough evidence to accurately evaluate the benefits of re-signing him now, and those benefits make an extension a risk worth taking.

If Schaub has even a decent season, his market value will be high. If he continues to play like he has in preseason, it will jump even higher, and retaining him would be cap consuming at a time that Smith will be preparing an extension for Cushing. And what is the contingency plan if Schaub leaves? Yates did not demonstrate enough progress this year, and there are no practical options left. It's foolish to risk burning cap space competing with market offers if there will be no forseeable alternatives to Schaub anyway.
This is a huge concern of mine. I have a feeling Schaub is going to have a big year. I didn't envision that at the end of last year with the injury that he had. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't in this situation.
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Default Re: Solomon: The Texans Would Like to Sign Brown, Barwin, Schaub Before the Season

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At this point, the uncertainty of Schaub's rehab is nullified. On Saturday against the Saints, he was more confident and sharp since I can remember. From what we've seen of his preseason, we have enough evidence to accurately evaluate the benefits of re-signing him now, and those benefits make an extension a risk worth taking.

If Schaub has even a decent season, his market value will be high. If he continues to play like he has in preseason, it will jump even higher, and retaining him would be cap consuming at a time that Smith will be preparing an extension for Cushing. And what is the contingency plan if Schaub leaves? Yates did not demonstrate enough progress this year, and there are no practical options left. It's foolish to risk burning cap space competing with market offers if there will be no forseeable alternatives to Schaub anyway.
There is always the franchise tag. Let Schaub prove he can be healthy again for another season and then talk.
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Default Re: Solomon: The Texans Would Like to Sign Brown, Barwin, Schaub Before the Season

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At this point, the uncertainty of Schaub's rehab is nullified. On Saturday against the Saints, he was more confident and sharp since I can remember. From what we've seen of his preseason, we have enough evidence to accurately evaluate the benefits of re-signing him now, and those benefits make an extension a risk worth taking.

If Schaub has even a decent season, his market value will be high. If he continues to play like he has in preseason, it will jump even higher, and retaining him would be cap consuming at a time that Smith will be preparing an extension for Cushing. And what is the contingency plan if Schaub leaves? Yates did not demonstrate enough progress this year, and there are no practical options left. It's foolish to risk burning cap space competing with market offers if there will be no forseeable alternatives to Schaub anyway.
I think Schaub will stay to play for team that he is familiar with and playoff contention team like the Texans. His got a lots of weapon to play with and not to mention a chemistry between Schaub and the other O players. Now if he wants obscene kind of money, this will be a different story. Didn't he negotiated his contract a few years ago to give the Texans for an extra cap room? If I recall correctly on this, he is likely to stay with the Texans.

Yates looked to me more comfortable than last year to me. Of course, this doesn't mean he can be an immediate starter. But, he looks better than last year to me.

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It's obvious Schaub wants to be a Texan, I agree maybe wait to see how he plays and finish's the whole season before giving him a contract. I would really like to see him or Barwin get a deal so we can focus on Which ever one didn't get the contract plus James Casey and GQ have to resign. If we do have 24mil to work with before cuts and restructuring of contracts we should have the cash for them all right?
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@Dutchrudder the 24mil we have in free money is that before or after the D.Brown contract?
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Default Re: Solomon: The Texans Would Like to Sign Brown, Barwin, Schaub Before the Season

QB franchise tag this year is around $19MM. With the new Brees and Manning deals it will likely be higher next year, or just around that number. There is zero chance the Texans franchise Schaub. If there are no setbacks healthwise during the season, he'll sign an extension at some point after the season ends and before free agency.
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Is it just me, or are new replies not showing up in this thread?

Edit: NVM, new page finally showed up. Not sure what happened here....

Anyways, John Clayton projected the 2013 cap space for all 32 teams in an article. The Houston part was before the Duane Brown signing, although we don't know how the money is structured yet.

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The interesting part of the 2013 cap is that the AFC has room up top, particularly the AFC South. To keep their offense together during the Peyton Manning years, the Colts were always tight against the cap. Before a Luck deal, they led the NFL in 2013 with $43 million of room. Houston Texans general manager Rick Smith had a tough 2012, deciding to keep Arian Foster and Chris Myers, but it cost the Texans Eric Winston and Mario Williams. The Texans are fifth on the list with $24.8 million of room.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/80...art-management

It's from June 7th, so it may have changed a bit since then, but it should give us a ballpark figure to work with. Say 14 million is still available going into 2013, is that enough to re-sign Schaub and sign the new rookies? Do we need to make more cuts to save salary? Can we re-sign Barwin, Quin and/or McCain?
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Is it just me, or are new replies not showing up in this thread?
Yeah, this thread is malfunctioning. Page 10 just now showed up for me.
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I had the same problem until just now.

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QB franchise tag this year is around $19MM. With the new Brees and Manning deals it will likely be higher next year, or just around that number. There is zero chance the Texans franchise Schaub. If there are no setbacks healthwise during the season, he'll sign an extension at some point after the season ends and before free agency.
Actually, there are two type of franchise tags - Exclusive (which was what was placed on Drew Brees), and non-exclusive. As the label implies, the exclusive tag prohibits other teams from negotiating with anyone that has it placed on them, and it is more expensive than the non-exclusive tag. The non-exclusive tag (which is what Schaub would likely receive) lets other teams negotiate and make an offer, gives the franchising team the opportunity to match any accepted offer, and to receive two first round picks if they don't match. For 2012, the non-exclusive QB franchise tag amount was $14.4 Million, which was actually down from 2011. I'm guessing it doesn't go up much - if at all - in 2012.
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Yeah, this thread is malfunctioning. Page 10 just now showed up for me.
Exactly was wondering what was going on earlier. Anyways back to the discussion Dutch confirmed to me we should have about 14mil before cuts and restructuring after just signing Dbo so looks like we should have the money to resign are key pieces in my opinion
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Actually, there are two type of franchise tags - Exclusive (which was what was placed on Drew Brees), and non-exclusive. As the label implies, the exclusive tag prohibits other teams from negotiating with anyone that has it placed on them, and it is more expensive than the non-exclusive tag. The non-exclusive tag (which is what Schaub would likely receive) lets other teams negotiate and make an offer, gives the franchising team the opportunity to match any accepted offer, and to receive two first round picks if they don't match. For 2012, the non-exclusive QB franchise tag amount was $14.4 Million, which was actually down from 2011. I'm guessing it doesn't go up much - if at all - in 2012.
Thanks for the clarification. Didn't know that. $14.4 is obviously more acceptable.
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"If it gets done in the next week, that would be great," Barwin said, "and if it doesn't, then it doesn't." There is a very good chance it does.
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Is it just me, or are new replies not showing up in this thread?

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Anyways, John Clayton projected the 2013 cap space for all 32 teams in an article. The Houston part was before the Duane Brown signing, although we don't know how the money is structured yet.



http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/80...art-management

It's from June 7th, so it may have changed a bit since then, but it should give us a ballpark figure to work with. Say 14 million is still available going into 2013, is that enough to re-sign Schaub and sign the new rookies? Do we need to make more cuts to save salary? Can we re-sign Barwin, Quin and/or McCain?
More cuts are probably a given. I predict Antonio Smith and Kevin Walter will be cut. I think we will see Crick take over at DE for Smith and Jean will slide in for Walter. If necessary, Wade Smith may also be a cap casualty.

I would resign Barwin and Schaub(if he has a good injury free year) and cut Antonio Smith, Wade Smith, and Kevin Walter. I would resign Quinn and not resign McCain(due to financial reasons).

2014 free agents who may need extensions in 2013 include Ben Tate, Brian Cushing, Earl Mitchell, and Daryl Sharpton.
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More cuts are probably a given. I predict Antonio Smith and Kevin Walter will be cut. I think we will see Crick take over at DE for Smith and Jean will slide in for Walter. If necessary, Wade Smith may also be a cap casualty.

I would resign Barwin and Schaub(if he has a good injury free year) and cut Antonio Smith, Wade Smith, and Kevin Walter. I would resign Quinn and not resign McCain(due to financial reasons).

2014 free agents who may need extensions in 2013 include Ben Tate, Brian Cushing, Earl Mitchell, and Daryl Sharpton.
Yeah, I'm not quite ready to say which guys are on their way out next year, but Walter, A Smith, W Smith and OD are the best candidates to be cut. It all depends on how they perform this year.

I expect that Earl Mitchell and Daryl Sharpton will be minimum deal guys. I don't think either will elicit an offer above that around the league, so we can probably keep them if we want to. Sharpton may be out for good though. Ben Tate will probably get at least 5 million a year for 4 years, from a RB needy team. I'm hoping we trade him next year for a 2nd and find another plug-and-play RB in the draft. Cushing won't be going anywhere, he will be franchise tagged at the very least. He should get about 7 million a year, so I hope we have that much available for him.
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To cut Antonio is ridiculous your under selling him badly.Walter yes can see him getting cut and McCain, we can replace him with Harris if he continues his good play and cut wade Smith that's a no no brooks isn't even ready to be starter he is too raw and can't even keep his weight in check smh
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More cuts are probably a given. I predict Antonio Smith and Kevin Walter will be cut. I think we will see Crick take over at DE for Smith and Jean will slide in for Walter. If necessary, Wade Smith may also be a cap casualty.

I would resign Barwin and Schaub(if he has a good injury free year) and cut Antonio Smith, Wade Smith, and Kevin Walter. I would resign Quinn and not resign McCain(due to financial reasons).

2014 free agents who may need extensions in 2013 include Ben Tate, Brian Cushing, Earl Mitchell, and Daryl Sharpton.
No way do we cut Smith this year, too many injuries and we need the veteran up front, still very young in our front 7 and with the lost of Ryans.. We need a bit of experience.
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No way do we cut Smith this year, too many injuries and we need the veteran up front, still very young in our front 7 and with the lost of Ryans.. We need a bit of experience.
He's talking about next year.
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No way do we cut Smith this year, too many injuries and we need the veteran up front, still very young in our front 7 and with the lost of Ryans.. We need a bit of experience.
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