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Old 05-15-2012   #101
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btw this isnt me not giving wade credit because he did an amazing job with the defence... just like kubiak did with the offence. we dont have the season we had without EITHER of them

just be wary of giving all the credit to one or the other
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No extension until mid season.

And if for some reason Kubiak leaves, there's a guy named Kyle Shanahan who would be on McNair's short list to be the next HC.

Yes, he's young. But he knows the offense and he'd be the quickest headache pill we could take for a Kubiak hangover if Kubiak walked.

And if Dennison could stay, and not follow Kubiak, I think Shanny Jr. would do just fine. The WRs loved Kyle when he was here...and the passing game was a lot more dynamic too. TexansChick documented how smart Kyle is in terms of understanding this offense and how he handles players.
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No extension until mid season.

And if for some reason Kubiak leaves, there's a guy named Kyle Shanahan who would be on McNair's short list to be the next HC.

Yes, he's young. But he knows the offense and he'd be the quickest headache pill we could take for a Kubiak hangover if Kubiak walked.

And if Dennison could stay, and not follow Kubiak, I think Shanny Jr. would do just fine. The WRs loved Kyle when he was here...and the passing game was a lot more dynamic too. TexansChick documented how smart Kyle is in terms of understanding this offense and how he handles players.
The same Kyle Shanahan that wanted to draft John Beck #10 overall in 2007?
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The same Kyle Shanahan that wanted to draft John Beck #10 overall in 2007?
Oh yes, because that means he's the only one who has ever mis-identified a QB in the NFL.

Care to offer more reasons than just that one?

Kyle could do a lot with Yates and Keenum. Kyle has been raised in the ZBS run game and the patented Shanahan/Kubiak passing system. If there is, for whatever reason, a Kubiak departure...he would make sense.

If RGIII blows up and the Redskins do really well, there will be lots of eyes watching Kyle Shanahan and his handling of the offense. I expect Kubiak to be re-signed though, just saying there is a Wal-Mart brand of Kubiak we could test out if the brand name product were to be taken off the shelves.
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Oh yes, because that means he's the only one who has ever mis-identified a QB in the NFL.

Care to offer more reasons than just that one?

Kyle could do a lot with Yates and Keenum. Kyle has been raised in the ZBS run game and the patented Shanahan/Kubiak passing system. If there is, for whatever reason, a Kubiak departure...he would make sense.

If RGIII blows up and the Redskins do really well, there will be lots of eyes watching Kyle Shanahan and his handling of the offense. I expect Kubiak to be re-signed though, just saying there is a Wal-Mart brand of Kubiak we could test out if the brand name product were to be taken off the shelves.
I dont have to offer more reasons. The dude wanted to draft JOHN BECK #10. Nuff said.

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This will be the 7th season with Kubiak. During the first six years we had two winning seasons and one playoff season. The only time this team has showed any true fire and spirit was AFTER Wade Philips arrived.

So if I don't go jumping on the Kubiak wagon just yet, yall will just have to get over it. I don't want Wade as head coach by any means, and I'm quite happy right now with the circumstances as they are, because they seem to be working. My fear is what happens when Wade leaves. Kubiak has done NOTHING in his career to show me he can handle the job without someone like Wade propping him up.
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This will be the 7th season with Kubiak. During the first six years we had two winning seasons and one playoff season. The only time this team has showed any true fire and spirit was AFTER Wade Philips arrived.

So if I don't go jumping on the Kubiak wagon just yet, yall will just have to get over it. I don't want Wade as head coach by any means, and I'm quite happy right now with the circumstances as they are, because they seem to be working. My fear is what happens when Wade leaves. Kubiak has done NOTHING in his career to show me he can handle the job without someone like Wade propping him up.
I partially disagree and it's more of a semantic thing than anything else.

I think this team has shown fire and spirit and has worked hard for Kubiak in the past. The problem has been with Smithiak's choice of defensive coordinators AND Kubiak's desire to slant the practices in the favor of the offense. With Wade, we finally got a good defensive coordinator and he wouldn't go along with practices being slanted in the offense's favor.

My fear is Wade leaving and then another inexperienced position coach being promoted into his spot... and that new DC failing miserably. That being said, I really like Vance Joseph and I wouldn't mind too much if he was promoted, but I'd be afraid he'd fail in the position.
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The same Kyle Shanahan that wanted to draft John Beck #10 overall in 2007?
I remember Kshan liked Beck but I never heard anything about him wanting to draft Beck #10 overall. Thats kinda hard to believe. link?
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I dont have to offer more reasons. The dude wanted to draft JOHN BECK #10. Nuff said.
So that's it? He makes a remark about the past and that indicts him as being unfit to be a head coach some day.

Hmm. I guess he would become the first Texans HC to make unilateral player choices in the Texans organization? Because, by the way, that's not how Bob and Rick roll. It's a collective decision making group, and that would not change with a new HC.

If we've learned anything, by now, it's that this team is not ran like the old Shanahan/Denver days when Mike Shanahan was both GM and HC. The Texans don't operate the way you suggest in a way where Kyle would unilaterally select his starting QB from the draft.

Therefore, Shanahan Jr. saying he liked Beck at #10 does not disqualify him from a future HC role somewhere. If it shows anything, he's candid about his past opinions and shows he's human like any other NFL person out there. 98% of the NFL world thought Houston was dumb for not picking Reggie Bush. People get player selection/projection wrong sometimes. They rarely lose their touch on how to teach or manage the game itself (See: Wade Phillips as a d-coord).
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I remember Kshan liked Beck but I never heard anything about him wanting to draft Beck #10 overall. Thats kinda hard to believe. link?
It was just something li'l Shanny was spouting off about when Washington originally signed Beck in order to justify the signing...
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But it might not have really been the case...
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Whoever made the Amobi Okoye selection...whichever guy ultimately won that pick in the war room (through persuasion)...THAT guy, if we follow the same logic, should never be in an NFL war room ever again. However, Okoye had a solid Senior Bowl game and was a DL at a young age they thought would grow and get much better. Oops. A lot of people pegged Amobi as a reach--They were right. A lot of people saw sky-is-the-limit potential--They were wrong. At the end of the day, both those people are still somewhere and have probably made good or bad picks since the Amobi pick.

Guys get player projection wrong a lot. It happens everywhere and more often than it should. It's part of the gig.

What guys DO tend to get right, and stay consistent with, is how they teach or manage the game itself. Dick Lebeau is not suddenly going to lose his touch as one of the best d-coord's in the game. Neither will Wade. The constants that run throughout every GOOD team is that they have people who can identify talent better than others AND utilize that talent for a certain system they know and implement VERY well. Kyle Shanahan knows the ZBS run scheme AND the Kubiak passing game as good as anyone. And when your roster is as stacked for that as ours is, you have to consider it.

Kyle seems to think Beck, at that time, was worth making a run for. Other disagreed with him. It happens. One day, in another war room situation involving the same team personnel, Kyle might have a guy on his board that ends being a total star in the league and others voted it down on draft day.

I just find it curious that Kyle shares a candid comment and suddenly he's a loon bird. I guess that makes Kubiak a loon bird for giving Beck a roster spot before camp even begins.
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Kubiak >>>> lil Shanny

We are going to have to accept the simple fact that Gary has at least two more years as Texans HC, and to be quite honest, I hope he's got 10+ more years because 2011 started a long playoff run for this franchise.

I will believe this reality until proven otherwise. Go Texans!
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Sigh.

Just squeezing this in, for posterity's sake (not squeezing something into a posterior, Texan Bill...get your mind out of the gutter)....

I would rather have Kubiak over Kyle any day. All I am saying is that IF the guy walks away or whatever, I don't want us hiring a HC who wants to change the offense. It works. It's built to last. We'd need a guy who has the oomph! to keep it going, and Kyle has been here before and knows the ropes.

Besides, the real HC would still stay the defacto HC (Wade Phillips) it's just a title thang.
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I remember Kshan liked Beck but I never heard anything about him wanting to draft Beck #10 overall. Thats kinda hard to believe. link?
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Sigh.

Just squeezing this in, for posterity's sake (not squeezing something into a posterior, Texan Bill...get your mind out of the gutter)....

I would rather have Kubiak over Kyle any day. All I am saying is that IF the guy walks away or whatever, I don't want us hiring a HC who wants to change the offense. It works. It's built to last. We'd need a guy who has the oomph! to keep it going, and Kyle has been here before and knows the ropes.

Besides, the real HC would still stay the defacto HC (Wade Phillips) it's just a title thang.
Why would Wade go for that? Serving as the DC under some punk kid?

If Kubiak goes, Wade is either the HC or he's gone. If Kubiak goes, we might be able to persuade Dennison to stay to be able to keep the offense going but that's about it. And if Kubiak goes to another team, he's probably going to want Dennison to come join him. If we've got him under contract, we can deny that.
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Why would Wade go for that? Serving as the DC under some punk kid?

If Kubiak goes, Wade is either the HC or he's gone. If Kubiak goes, we might be able to persuade Dennison to stay to be able to keep the offense going but that's about it. And if Kubiak goes to another team, he's probably going to want Dennison to come join him. If we've got him under contract, we can deny that.
Wade is already HC. I thought I made that clear.

When Kyle speaks, you'll see Wade's hand behind Kyle's back. Duh.

Wade will learn that being Bob's permanent DC is where it's at. It's the life of luxury for a guy like him. He just needs time to learn that.
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Wade is already HC. I thought I made that clear.

When Kyle speaks, you'll see Wade's hand behind Kyle's back. Duh.

Wade will learn that being Bob's permanent DC is where it's at. It's the life of luxury for a guy like him. He just needs time to learn that.
lol.

I think you're going to need to send him some bloody Captain America trading cards to give him the nudge in the right direction.
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Sigh.

Just squeezing this in, for posterity's sake (not squeezing something into a posterior, Texan Bill...get your mind out of the gutter)....

I would rather have Kubiak over Kyle any day. All I am saying is that IF the guy walks away or whatever, I don't want us hiring a HC who wants to change the offense. It works. It's built to last. We'd need a guy who has the oomph! to keep it going, and Kyle has been here before and knows the ropes.

Besides, the real HC would still stay the defacto HC (Wade Phillips) it's just a title thang.
Other than a change of center & maybe a bigger full back would it take much to go from ZBS to a power scheme?
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This will be the 7th season with Kubiak. During the first six years we had two winning seasons and one playoff season. The only time this team has showed any true fire and spirit was AFTER Wade Philips arrived.
On a smaller note, he's only had 2 losing seasons in that time.
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