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Old 06-16-2012   #41
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Yeah I dont get it. Its supposted to be the Top 100 Players of 2012. But I think they are voting friends and best careers.
#50: Peyton Manning.

The list lost all cred right there. Manning a all-time great...but he did not play a single down last season so he has no business being on this list.
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#50: Peyton Manning.

The list lost all cred right there. Manning a all-time great...but he did not play a single down last season so he has no business being on this list.
Why? If the list is about 2012, then it's about NEXT season. If it had been about 2011, then there'd be an argument that he didn't deserve to be on it.
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Why? If the list is about 2012, then it's about NEXT season. If it had been about 2011, then there'd be an argument that he didn't deserve to be on it.

Andrew Luck shoulda been #50
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Why? If the list is about 2012, then it's about NEXT season. If it had been about 2011, then there'd be an argument that he didn't deserve to be on it.
The list was about the previous season.

Next season is the season of 2013, it's always the year the superbowl was played in that represents the season.

http://www.nfl.com/top100/2012#video=09000d5d8296651f

Listen to how they talk about it, they are putting him at 50 because he didn't play!

The narrator even says "If he didn't play, then why is he in it at all?"

The players are doing this as a career thing.
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The list was about the previous season.

Next season is the season of 2013, it's always the year the superbowl was played in that represents the season.
That might be true in this case, but that's not "always" true. If you look at ProFootballReference.com, when they list seasons, they list them by the year of the season, not the year of the Super Bowl.

Here's the link.
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That might be true in this case, but that's not "always" true. If you look at ProFootballReference.com, when they list seasons, they list them by the year of the season, not the year of the Super Bowl.

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That's the way I've always read/heard it as well.
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That might be true in this case, but that's not "always" true. If you look at ProFootballReference.com, when they list seasons, they list them by the year of the season, not the year of the Super Bowl.

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That's the way I've always read/heard it as well.
Yep, I've never seen a NFL statistical site that didn't list stats in the year in which the season started (even though it's not that unusual for the final RS game to take place in the following calendar year). Arian Foster did not get his first start in the 2010 season, nor did he have back to back 1200 yard rushing seasons in the 2011 and 2012 campaigns.

Sounds more like the way video games date things games - not the NFL.
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Meh it's a non-issue.

Either way Manning does not belong on that list since it is rating players based on the previous season. The fact that players put him in there shows that they are not ranking players based on the previous season alone (which according the shows description is how it is supposed to be) you can also hear them say it's more of a respect thing.

That's why Andre will be in the top 20(maybe top 10 again? I'm thinking the other Johnson jumped over him though...) and I think most would probably agree he didn't have the best of years last year, but his career has earned him that respect.
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About the McCoy/foster issue, Aaron schatz of football outsiders posted that McCoy led the league in rushes of minus -3 yards, and was more than twice the nearest player, who was Chris johnson. My favorite quality of Arians running is that even when he is met in the backfield or at the line of scrimmage by a defender, he always manages to fall forward and get 3 yards. He may not break off huge runs, but he is always consistent in a positive way moving closer to a first down and less 3rd and long situations. It is why I would choose him over any other back, including Peterson.


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About the McCoy/foster issue, Aaron schatz of football outsiders posted that McCoy led the league in rushes of minus -3 yards, and was more than twice the nearest player, who was Chris johnson. My favorite quality of Arians running is that even when he is met in the backfield or at the line of scrimmage by a defender, he always manages to fall forward and get 3 yards. He may not break off huge runs, but he is always consistent in a positive way moving closer to a first down and less 3rd and long situations. It is why I would choose him over any other back, including Peterson.


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It's the Barry Sanders vs. Emmitt Smith Debate all over again. Sanders was exciting and had some insane runs but he was a home run or bust type of runner. He led the league in rushes of less than a yard. Emmitt Smith wasn't nearly as flashy but almost ALWAYS got you yardage.

Barry Sanders' style was not conducive to a winning style of football. You had to feed him the ball and then you had to live with the lack of production. Granted, he was running behind a line that was probably crap most of the time he was there and maybe that's why he had all those short runs. But the outcome is what it is.

Smith got consistent yards. Because of that, the Cowboys dominated TOP and dominated games.

I'll go with an Emmitt Smith type of back every time and Arian is that type of back.
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