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Old 05-30-2012   #81
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I don't understand all these labels being thrown around...

Have I missed something? Are there posters here that know Kubiak personally or have interacted with the team behind the scenes?
I once met Kubiak at a luncheon and he shook my hand in a very weak and flimsy way. It wasn't very firm, nor overpowering, which is why I am certain that he is a softie.

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Not to deviate from the thread, but who is that guy with the Nats cap on?
Jim Riggleman. He was the Manager of the Nationals last year before he quit mid-season because he wanted to be extended beyond the 2011 season.
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I don't understand all these labels being thrown around...

Have I missed something? Are there posters here that know Kubiak personally or have interacted with the team behind the scenes?
I know a big-time member here that is related to Kubes.
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On 790 Radio, today, ND Kalu and Greg Kock interviewed D. Jones' well-respected Plex personal trainer Dan Arnold. He came right out and said that Jones never put out all-out effect.........when he was there. And he did not show up for his sessions on a regular basis, whereas most of his other clients couldn't get enough. He then went on to say that, despite some well-known names have come out of that school, S. Carolina players have developed a similar reputation as a whole........a pattern that has been recognized by many scouts to be due to their players being extremely "pampered"........a pattern that has made many NFL teams to shy away from their players. In the same breath, he placed UT players as another group in which this has been recognized for quite a while.
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On 790 Radio, today, ND Kalu and Greg Kock interviewed D. Jones' well-respected Plex personal trainer Dan Arnold. He came right out and said that Jones never put out all-out effect.........when he was there. And he did not show up for his sessions on a regular basis, whereas most of his other clients couldn't get enough. He then went on to say that, despite some well-known names have come out of that school, S. Carolina players have developed a similar reputation as a whole........a pattern that has been recognized by many scouts to be due to their players being extremely "pampered"........a pattern that has made many NFL teams to shy away from their players. In the same breath, he placed UT players as another group in which this has been recognized for quite a while.
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On 790 Radio, today, ND Kalu and Greg Kock interviewed D. Jones' well-respected Plex personal trainer Dan Arnold. He came right out and said that Jones never put out all-out effect.........when he was there. And he did not show up for his sessions on a regular basis, whereas most of his other clients couldn't get enough. He then went on to say that, despite some well-known names have come out of that school, S. Carolina players have developed a similar reputation as a whole........a pattern that has been recognized by many scouts to be due to their players being extremely "pampered"........a pattern that has made many NFL teams to shy away from their players. In the same breath, he placed UT players as another group in which this has been recognized for quite a while.
What does South Carolina and UT have to do with UNC? Moreover, trainers do one thing well, train. Outside of that, their ability to prognosticate is limited and biased towards their paying clients.
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...trainers do one thing well, train. Outside of that, their ability to prognosticate is limited and biased towards their paying clients.
I'm not sure what the confusion is. The "well-respected" guy was Jones' personal trainer ... Jones showed little effort & missed workouts. That has reg flags all over it to me. How many guys make NFL rosters with with half-a$$ed effort?

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James Allen (running back).

I was trying to remember if any other Texans player had quit. IIRC, James Allen decided one day he wanted to be a full time "musician." So he quit football.

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I'm not sure what the confusion is. The "well-respected" guy was Jones' personal trainer ... Jones showed little effort & missed workouts. That has reg flags all over it to me. How many guys make NFL rosters with with half-a$$ed effort?
But where did the S. Carolina reference come from?
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But where did the S. Carolina reference come from?
Just a guess: The trainer talks to OTHER trainers. Sort of like how other professionals ring each other up and talk shop from time to time.

Or, players talk trash on other players from other schools.

Another likelihood: The guy had trained (and possibly still trains) athletes who attended S. Carolina.

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Let us also remember the scout who called Dwight Jones (paraphrasing) "A lazy, selfish, entitled turd."

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Just a guess: The trainer talks to OTHER trainers. Sort of like how other professionals ring each other up and talk shop from time to time.

Or, players talk trash on other players from other schools.

Another likelihood: The guy had trained (and possibly still trains) athletes who attended S. Carolina.

My two cents.
So he went from dicussing an individual to discussing reputations of entire schools (S.Car and UT) without making intentional or incidental connections to UNC?

Maybe I'm missing some context from the entire interview.

Either way, it doesn't look like we'll be picking up future wide recievers who peg themselves as the next AJ.
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James Allen (running back).

I was trying to remember if any other Texans player had quit. IIRC, James Allen decided one day he wanted to be a full time "musician." So he quit football.

Any others?
Glen Coffee, RB, Niners.

Several of us here wanted to draft him. He played a year and then quit in OTAs of his second season. He said he left to become a minister. Then he got arrested for speeding and carrying a concealed firearm, iirc.
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I once met Kubiak at a luncheon and he shook my hand in a very weak and flimsy way. It wasn't very firm, nor overpowering, which is why I am certain that he is a softie.

And he shook with his left hand. We all know what that means...not that there's anything wrong with it.

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So he went from dicussing an individual to discussing reputations of entire schools (S.Car and UT) without making intentional or incidental connections to UNC?

Maybe I'm missing some context from the entire interview.

Either way, it doesn't look like we'll be picking up future wide recievers who peg themselves as the next AJ.
CnD was re-capping a radio segment, so I took it as CnD summarizing and not giving a full word-for-word re-cap of what was said.

I think the overall context is that the guy being interviewed says that they (trainers, such as him) can spot dedication to the game as well as the opposite.

When I was in junior high football, there were guys my age who basically were gym rats. In our off-season conditioning and training programs, I only did what was required, and I didn't even put forth an honest effort when doing the bare minimum. I hated lifting weights. I hated running laps. I hated stretching. I LOVED getting onto the field and hitting people though. When I became a freshman in high school, I understood that although I enjoyed football itself...I wasn't dedicated the way others were.

Well, plus I was into rodeo and eventually had my college paid for via scholarship because of my talents as a calf roper and steer wrestler--So I made the decision to quit and not waste my time. The guys who really loved football went on to do great things with their high school days, and I just would have been doing the minimum and squeaking by.

I think trainers know fairly quickly who is for real and who isn't. I loved the game itself, I hated the mundane training in the off-season.
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Glen Coffee, RB, Niners.

Several of us here wanted to draft him. He played a year and then quit in OTAs of his second season. He said he left to become a minister. Then he got arrested for speeding and carrying a concealed firearm, iirc.
http://www.rolltide.com/genrel/050312aaa.html

He finished his degree this spring.
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What does South Carolina and UT have to do with UNC? Moreover, trainers do one thing well, train. Outside of that, their ability to prognosticate is limited and biased towards their paying clients.
That's my mistake/typo on my part. He was referring to North Carolina not South Carolina.
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But where did the S. Carolina reference come from?

See my correction. Sorry for the confusion.. I meant to write NORTH Carolina.
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BTW, Dan Arnold is no little hack trainer. He has a long list of top NFL ( and other sport) athletes that routinely come to train with him at Plex in the offseason. Julius Peppers has been training with him for years.


http://www.plex.cc/Plex/draft.html

http://www.plex.cc/Plex/testimonials.html
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That's my mistake/typo on my part. He was referring to North Carolina not South Carolina.
I was assuming that was your intent in transcribing the radio content. Thank you for contributing, as always.

The trainer is simply regurgitating. Surely, he knows our starting QB is from UNC, and that our staff/scouting department does not make wide sweeping generalizations of institutions that have produced results.

I will look into his client list.
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