Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-24-2005   #41
TheOgre
Hall of Fame
 
TheOgre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Back in the cellar again
Posts: 3,739
Rep Power: 17 TheOgre was voted MVPTheOgre was voted MVPTheOgre was voted MVPTheOgre was voted MVP
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by royce1054
Would anybody like to see a 2 TE formation with Rivers and Miller... That should open up the middle of the field.
For us or the defense? :brickwall
TheOgre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2005   #42
royce1054
All Pro
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: HOUSTON
Age: 32
Posts: 900
Rep Power: 10 royce1054 is ridin' the pine
Send a message via MSN to royce1054 Send a message via Yahoo to royce1054
Default

I mean it should open up the middle of the field haveing Rivers and Millers being TE bc if the D is lined up where the LB are covering them then we could run a Gaffney, Bradford, or AJ over the middle and hope to get some open room for a catch and run... jmo
royce1054 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2005   #43
Mr Shush
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Oxford, England
Age: 31
Posts: 176
Rep Power: 10 Mr Shush is ridin' the pine
Default

Why does the report think he's unlikely to start? It's not like he's got much to beat out. The fact that he couldn't get in ahead of Shockey is hardly a reason to think he's not better than Miller or Bruener.
Mr Shush is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2005   #44
ccdude730
Hall of Fame
 
ccdude730's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Corpus Christi
Posts: 1,615
Rep Power: 129 ccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respectedccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respectedccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respectedccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respectedccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respectedccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respectedccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respectedccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respectedccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respectedccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respectedccdude730 is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via AIM to ccdude730
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Shush
Why does the report think he's unlikely to start? It's not like he's got much to beat out. The fact that he couldn't get in ahead of Shockey is hardly a reason to think he's not better than Miller or Bruener.
but can he catch and beat a LB better than miller?

can he seal a block better than bruener?

i think until he proves himself in training camp and preseason that he is a ligit threat in both aspects he wont be in the starting lineup. JMO
__________________
ccdude730 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2005   #45
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 9,819
Rep Power: 14626 El Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

I wonder if he's faster than Miller.
El Tejano is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2005   #46
jacquescas
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: May 2004
Age: 35
Posts: 1,323
Rep Power: 12 jacquescas is ridin' the pine
Default

whats up with murphy? isn't he our former basketballer? is he ready yet?
jacquescas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2005   #47
Mr Shush
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Oxford, England
Age: 31
Posts: 176
Rep Power: 10 Mr Shush is ridin' the pine
Default

I very much doubt he's as good a blocker as Bruener, and he may well be a weaker pass-catcher than Miller. But if he's a better target than Bruener, and a better blocker than Miller - both likely - surely the flexibility that would add to our playcalling is a potential reason for him to start?
Mr Shush is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 05-26-2005   #48
mj.
Rookie
 
mj.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Age: 39
Posts: 28
Rep Power: 0 mj. is ridin' the pine
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ccdude730
but can he catch and beat a LB better than miller?

can he seal a block better than bruener?
I think you have it flipped.
Rivers can get playing time if....

he can seal a block better that Miller
AND
he can catch and beat an LB better than Breuner.
mj. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2005   #49
throwANDREtheBALL
Veteran
 
throwANDREtheBALL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: CANADA
Age: 32
Posts: 230
Rep Power: 0 throwANDREtheBALL is ridin' the pine
Send a message via MSN to throwANDREtheBALL
Default He's a complete Tight End

Where as the other two guys we have on our roster at TE, have evolved into specialists.

Billy is just a big wide reciever, and I think Andre Johnson can outblock him anyday. Billy is only a pass catching specialist (and even at that he's not that great)

Mark is just an undersized lineman, who would probably be a better fit at Center then he is at TE. He is in no way a complete TE. Only a blocking Tight End, and those are pretty easy to find. (Former OL Eric Beverly has been switched to blocking TE for his team, and he can probably catch better than Bruener)

Marcellus Rivers is a complete TE, no, he can't run as fast as MILLER and he can't block quite as well as Bruener..........but, he can do both, which the other guys can't. Rivers isn't the best TE in confernce, but, he's way better than those two (complete Tight End imposters)
throwANDREtheBALL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2005   #50
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
 
dalemurphy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Austin
Section: Bullpen/ 636
Age: 41
Posts: 5,762
Rep Power: 57395 dalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respecteddalemurphy is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by throwANDREtheBALL
Where as the other two guys we have on our roster at TE, have evolved into specialists.

Billy is just a big wide reciever, and I think Andre Johnson can outblock him anyday. Billy is only a pass catching specialist (and even at that he's not that great)

Mark is just an undersized lineman, who would probably be a better fit at Center then he is at TE. He is in no way a complete TE. Only a blocking Tight End, and those are pretty easy to find. (Former OL Eric Beverly has been switched to blocking TE for his team, and he can probably catch better than Bruener)

Marcellus Rivers is a complete TE, no, he can't run as fast as MILLER and he can't block quite as well as Bruener..........but, he can do both, which the other guys can't. Rivers isn't the best TE in confernce, but, he's way better than those two (complete Tight End imposters)
I'm going to say that Rivers can run as fast as Billy Miller. Miller's problem isn't simply that he can't block, but it is that he can't block nor can he create matchup problems for a defense in the passing game. Whereas Tony G. demands a form of double coverage or a CB on him, Billy Miller can be handled easily with a SS or good cover LB. If you watch Baltimore (Heap), KC (Tony), SD (Gates), Dallas (Witten)... they move the TEs around, split them wide, etc... in order to exploit matchups or even just to open up a portion of the field... If Houston did that with Billy Miller, the only reaction you'd get from the defense would be a yawn.
dalemurphy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2005   #51
throwANDREtheBALL
Veteran
 
throwANDREtheBALL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: CANADA
Age: 32
Posts: 230
Rep Power: 0 throwANDREtheBALL is ridin' the pine
Send a message via MSN to throwANDREtheBALL
Default I agree with you

But, I always try to give the other guys the benefit of the doubt.

I totally agree with you though, Miller is consistent at not getting open. And I think its part of his lack of knowledge of holes in a defense of where to find the open spaces as well as his losing a step.
throwANDREtheBALL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2005   #52
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,844
Rep Power: 161784 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Looks like the Browns were pursuing Rivers as well...

http://dawgtalk.clevelandbrowns.com/...b=5&o=&fpart=1
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2005   #53
O.G.
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Clear Lake
Age: 37
Posts: 470
Rep Power: 11 O.G. is a team player
Send a message via AIM to O.G. Send a message via Yahoo to O.G.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny
Looks like the Browns were pursuing Rivers as well...

http://dawgtalk.clevelandbrowns.com/...b=5&o=&fpart=1

Lol, I like some of the post they have
__________________
This Side, Let'z Ride.......Where Ya At, The Whole City's Behind Us!!!
O.G. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2005   #54
jacquescas
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: May 2004
Age: 35
Posts: 1,323
Rep Power: 12 jacquescas is ridin' the pine
Default

here is a quote from that cleveland message board...


Quote:
The Texans are starting to TICK me off.

You read my mind.

Who havn't they signed this offseason. All I'm saying is they better stay away from Boulware or I may have to do what I allways swore I would never do again ...go to texas
Its funny cause from our point of view we havn't signed anyone. who else did we steal from these cleveland fans, other than Rivers, Riley and Greenwood i'm having a tough time finding another free agent we signed. its funny how perception changes from team to team
jacquescas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-27-2005   #55
Rovator
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Spring
Age: 30
Posts: 115
Rep Power: 10 Rovator is ridin' the pine
Default

We signed one of their former CB's - Sanders.
Rovator is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-28-2005   #56
throwANDREtheBALL
Veteran
 
throwANDREtheBALL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: CANADA
Age: 32
Posts: 230
Rep Power: 0 throwANDREtheBALL is ridin' the pine
Send a message via MSN to throwANDREtheBALL
Default

We should be nice and give them Riley back........unless they are willing to take Mckinney as a sacrificial gift ?
throwANDREtheBALL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-28-2005   #57
Texan Dave
Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Age: 36
Posts: 120
Rep Power: 10 Texan Dave is ridin' the pine
Default

Guys, I'm sorry, but I think it's kind of sad that everyone is taking Rivers, and making him sound like the savior of our tight end problems. He was another teams backup, he will probably wind up being our backup. He might be better than what we already have, but he probably won't, that's just the facts of life. I just hate to see everyone get all excited about someone comming in from another team, that wasn't great, and be expected by everyone else to be something great. Everyone is going to talk bad about him and talk bad about the Texans staff if he isn't, and they're saying up front that the guy isn't anything special. Just like with Bruener, nobody ever said that he was going to be all pro, he's a blocking tight end, that's all he's ever been, and he's really good at it, good enough that he's made a good career for himself at it. Taking a guy like Rivers, who in my openion, from what the I'm hearing from the articles, is ok at blocking, and ok at catching, doesn't make him a total package, it makes him an ok tight end. I've also heard on this board that all Antonio Gates, and Tony Gonzales are any good for is catching passes, I'm sorry guys but running backs don't rush for 1,700 yards with a tight end that can't block up on the line. Yes a great tight end can put an average offense into a whole new dimension, but it's not a requirement. The Stealers made some really good playoff runs, with the exact same tight end we have right now, playing the exact same role that he's playing right now. You don't have to have a pass catching tight end to beat the cover 2, you run at it, if they're in cover 2 their safeties aren't in the box, we ran poorly against the colts the first time we played them. The second time we played them the penalties killed us, any time you play the colts it's going to come down to running the ball, and not making mental mistakes, that's how new england kills them every time they face them. You have got to run the ball on the cover 2, and force them to bring the strong safety into the box, and then pass on them. If you have penalties, they don't have to worry with your running game, and if you're not running well, they don't have to worry with it. With the way we played against the cover 2 last year, we could have had Tony Gonzales on our team, and it wouldn't have done one bit of good. If you aren't good enough to run on them, you simply will loose the game, no way around it.
Texan Dave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2005   #58
throwANDREtheBALL
Veteran
 
throwANDREtheBALL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: CANADA
Age: 32
Posts: 230
Rep Power: 0 throwANDREtheBALL is ridin' the pine
Send a message via MSN to throwANDREtheBALL
Default Yeah, but

The fact still remains that he's more of a complete TE than the other two.

FACT 1 - Rivers blocks better than Miller

FACT 2 - Rivers catches and gets open more often than Bruener

Conclusion - He's a more complete TE than those two, whether he's an OK tight end or not...........he's still going to bring a slight level of guessing to the defense when he steps on the field. Since right now when we bring in Miller they know its probably pass, and when we bring in Bruener they know its probably run.

I don't know about you, but, I like it when the defense doesn't know when we're going to run or pass.
throwANDREtheBALL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2005   #59
O.G.
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Clear Lake
Age: 37
Posts: 470
Rep Power: 11 O.G. is a team player
Send a message via AIM to O.G. Send a message via Yahoo to O.G.
Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by throwANDREtheBALL
The fact still remains that he's more of a complete TE than the other two.

FACT 1 - Rivers blocks better than Miller

FACT 2 - Rivers catches and gets open more often than Bruener

Conclusion - He's a more complete TE than those two, whether he's an OK tight end or not...........he's still going to bring a slight level of guessing to the defense when he steps on the field. Since right now when we bring in Miller they know its probably pass, and when we bring in Bruener they know its probably run.

I don't know about you, but, I like it when the defense doesn't know when we're going to run or pass.
That pretty much sum'd it up
__________________
This Side, Let'z Ride.......Where Ya At, The Whole City's Behind Us!!!
O.G. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2005   #60
jacquescas
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: May 2004
Age: 35
Posts: 1,323
Rep Power: 12 jacquescas is ridin' the pine
Default

obviously Rivers isn't considered that great of a TE prospect since he has been on the market until now and most of us that weren't madden junkies couldn't really say who he was before that.

that being said it goes to show how weak our TE ranks really are.
jacquescas is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:42 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger