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CloakNNNdagger · 05-27-2012

Texans Chick presents a concise review of the state of our STs. Some interesting comments about Holliday and K. Martin. Be sure to watch the K. Martin return VIDEO. Pretty impressive, but I sure hope he learns to stop swinging the loaf around as much as he did in college.

**Texan_Bill** · 05-27-2012

I didnt read Stephs blog but will say this............. One hundred times out of one hundred, I'll take a guy like JJ Moses over Jacoby..... JJ wasn't really a threat to take it to the house, BUT he never made a mistake!!!!!!!!!! Pick your poison!!!

**infantrycak** · 05-27-2012

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Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

I didnt read Stephs blog but will say this............. One hundred times out of one hundred, I'll take a guy like JJ Moses over Jacoby..... JJ wasn't really a threat to take it to the house, BUT he never made a mistake!!!!!!!!!! Pick your poison!!!

That's exactly why I used to argue for him. He had a high average. I cared much more about that and his catch the ball in the air instead of against his body method than his not taking the whole way. What you do on 70 kicks is more important than on 1 (unless the one is a spectacular screw up).

**badboy** · 05-27-2012

If Marciano has some regulars to call upon, our ST should be quite good. As the roster gets better, deeper the players who make up his team get more experienced. This is another area that I look to for a better results. I imagine that many of the national talking heads know little about just how good Marciano can be. I would like to see Manning eliminated from that duty. Too good to risk.

NastyNate · 05-27-2012

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Originally Posted by badboy

I would like to see Joseph eliminated from that duty. Too good to risk.

You mean Manning?

**badboy** · 05-27-2012

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Originally Posted by NastyNate

You mean Manning?

I had to look at my post to see what you were talkingabout. I typed Manning...er no I didn't. Thanks Nate! I'll edit.

NastyNate · 05-27-2012

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I had to look at my post to see what you were talkingabout. I typed Manning...er no I didn't. Thanks Nate! I'll edit.

It's all good, and yeah I'd hate to see Manning go down but he is a very competent returner, and safety depth isn't too much of a concern.

Premier · 05-27-2012

first reports of hartmann say hes serving 4 games, and got the bmore game counted as 1 so he'll only miss 3 weeks this season. new reports say his suspension has been reduced to 3 games but is still missing
3 weeks this season.. which is it? did they reduce his suspension and not count the baltimore game, or was there actually no reduction, and people are forgetting about the playoff game..

**ChampionTexan** · 05-27-2012

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Originally Posted by Premier

first reports of hartmann say hes serving 4 games, and got the bmore game counted as 1 so he'll only miss 3 weeks this season. new reports say his suspension has been reduced to 3 games but is still missing
3 weeks this season.. which is it? did they reduce his suspension and not count the baltimore game, or was there actually no reduction, and people are forgetting about the playoff game..

The reduction to three games makes far more sense, and I believe that's what happened.

Hartmann was on injured reserve during the playoffs, and therefore, not eligible to play under any circumstances. It simply makes zero sense to count a game which a player is ineligible to participate in against a multiple game suspension.

I know that was the original story, but it didn't make sense at the time, and doesn't make sense now (particularly with a very plausible alternative having been presented).

powda · 05-27-2012

Its harder to make a roster spot this year then ever before. The overall team talent should be better and that should translate to special teams----ASSUMING the kickers and return men are compotent.

DocBar · 05-28-2012

I prefer boring ST's to interesting ST's. Middle of the pack on ST's and top 10 scoring O & D makes me a happy camper and should translate into W's and playoff apprearances.

powda · 05-28-2012

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I prefer boring ST's to interesting ST's.

YUP. If I need to go to the bathroom or do whatever during the game itself I always opt to do it during a st play. Very little exciting about it and lets keep it that way.

CloakNNNdagger · 05-28-2012

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Originally Posted by powda

YUP. If I need to go to the bathroom or do whatever during the game itself I always opt to do it during a st play. Very little exciting about it and lets keep it that way.

That's because for the past couple of years, they have been something less than stellar. Having a good STs can be positively exiting.

**ObsiWan** · 05-28-2012

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Originally Posted by DocBar

I prefer boring ST's to interesting ST's. Middle of the pack on ST's and top 10 scoring O & D makes me a happy camper and should translate into W's and playoff apprearances.

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Originally Posted by powda

YUP. If I need to go to the bathroom or do whatever during the game itself I always opt to do it during a st play. Very little exciting about it and lets keep it that way.

Not me. I'd love to have a Dante Hall or Devin Hester type threat that scares the bejeezus out of the opposition. AND gives us great field position - like maybe starting drives on their side of the 50!

**infantrycak** · 05-28-2012

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Not me. I'd love to have a Dante Hall or Devin Hester type threat that scares the bejeezus out of the opposition. AND gives us great field position - like maybe starting drives on their side of the 50!

See that is the thing which always killed me. JJ Moses consistently gave us great field position but people wanted 1 or 2 home runs a year. I'd rather have the league's highest average and no return TD's.

NitroGSXR · 05-28-2012

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...-Alexander-INT

Just don't try it! We must remember.

Texan_Touchdown · 05-28-2012

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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...-Alexander-INT

Just don't try it! We must remember.

that was a great pass.

Insideop · 05-28-2012

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that was a great pass.

Yeah, great pass! Only for Alexander!

DocBar · 05-28-2012

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Originally Posted by ObsiWan

Not me. I'd love to have a Dante Hall or Devin Hester type threat that scares the bejeezus out of the opposition. AND gives us great field position - like maybe starting drives on their side of the 50!

That's a great big no-brainer!!!

There's a reason Hester will probably be the 1st return specialist in the NFLHOF. No one elese like him has ever came around. Hall was a very good returner, but not in Hester's league. Regardless, players with those rare abilities are hard to come by and I'd rather not eat up a roster spot on a return specialist. A good returner will bust a few good ones each year. They might not take it to the house, but they won't let you down in the clutch, either.

Jones

Hester

Hall

pec0sb0b · 05-28-2012

Starting field position...Advanced Football Stats says since 2000 for every 3 yards closer to their opponent's end zone, a team will add 2 wins on average - http://www.advancednflstats.com/2011...-starting.html

2011 regular season drive stats from Football Outsiders - http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestats

05-27-2012	#1
CloakNNNdagger Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 12,481 Rep Power: 44061	Special teams will be interesting Texans Chick presents a concise review of the state of our STs. Some interesting comments about Holliday and K. Martin. Be sure to watch the K. Martin return VIDEO. Pretty impressive, but I sure hope he learns to stop swinging the loaf around as much as he did in college.

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Texan_Bill Subscribed Contributor Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Houston. Mediocrity Lives Here!! Section: Bull Pen!! Age: 45 Posts: 47,093 Rep Power: 42178	Re: Special teams will be interesting I didnt read Stephs blog but will say this............. One hundred times out of one hundred, I'll take a guy like JJ Moses over Jacoby..... JJ wasn't really a threat to take it to the house, BUT he never made a mistake!!!!!!!!!! Pick your poison!!! __________________ DeAndre!

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badboy Site Contributor Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Clear Lake Posts: 19,036 Rep Power: 30910	Re: Special teams will be interesting If Marciano has some regulars to call upon, our ST should be quite good. As the roster gets better, deeper the players who make up his team get more experienced. This is another area that I look to for a better results. I imagine that many of the national talking heads know little about just how good Marciano can be. I would like to see Manning eliminated from that duty. Too good to risk. __________________ The sound of marine engines and superchargers soon shall fill the air! Last edited by badboy; 05-27-2012 at 08:44 PM. Reason: stupid is reason for editing

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Premier All Pro Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 789 Rep Power: 7531	Re: Special teams will be interesting first reports of hartmann say hes serving 4 games, and got the bmore game counted as 1 so he'll only miss 3 weeks this season. new reports say his suspension has been reduced to 3 games but is still missing 3 weeks this season.. which is it? did they reduce his suspension and not count the baltimore game, or was there actually no reduction, and people are forgetting about the playoff game.. __________________

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powda Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,198 Rep Power: 24382	Re: Special teams will be interesting Its harder to make a roster spot this year then ever before. The overall team talent should be better and that should translate to special teams----ASSUMING the kickers and return men are compotent. __________________ Stupid doesn't discriminate.

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DocBar Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I'm international Section: Channel 700-ish on NFL Sunday Ticket Age: 43 Posts: 7,229 Rep Power: 17539	Re: Special teams will be interesting I prefer boring ST's to interesting ST's. Middle of the pack on ST's and top 10 scoring O & D makes me a happy camper and should translate into W's and playoff apprearances. __________________ “If you take a highly intelligent person and give them the best possible, elite education, then you will most likely wind up with an academic who is completely impervious to reality.” Halton Arp

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NitroGSXR Super Sic #58 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pflugerville, TX Age: 36 Posts: 10,590 Rep Power: 48530	Re: Special teams will be interesting http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...-Alexander-INT Just don't try it! We must remember. __________________ Why are you teaching your hearing son ASL? He's not deaf. --Pflugerville Independent School District

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pec0sb0b on the lam Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Vegas, Baby! Posts: 169 Rep Power: 2715	Re: Special teams will be interesting Starting field position...Advanced Football Stats says since 2000 for every 3 yards closer to their opponent's end zone, a team will add 2 wins on average - http://www.advancednflstats.com/2011...-starting.html 2011 regular season drive stats from Football Outsiders - http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestats __________________ "Think ya used enough dynamite there, Butch?"

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