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Old 05-20-2012   #21
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I think on the field their long speed is very comparable. But, they couldnt appear more different in how they look when they run. Af is a very fluid long strider. He "glides" on the field and it looks effortless. He looks slower because of that style even if they cover the same amount of ground in the same time. Mccoy is just the opposite. Lots of short choppy steps when he runs and cuts etc...

As an aside on foster, he has fantastic field vision while he runs. I think thats the biggest factor in his success.
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Mjd is one of the best all purpose backs in the league.
I dont think he could ever take over a game in the passing area. Arian can so that gives him the edge.
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Forte is great and all but Arian Foster is worth 20 Fortes in the Red Zone.
I had forte on my fantasy team last year and he was GREAT but he lost a lot of redzone touches because of how chicago used their backs. Forte did all the heavy lifting to get across the field. Once they got to the redzone barber (or was it jacobs?) stole a lot of scoring opportunities.
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One guy picked Rice....then said "I had covered Rice since his days at Rutgers..." and I just laughed. Oh, OK. I see. No bias or anything there.

A lot of those analysts don't want to say Foster because that inherently gives the Texans street cred. They'll choose a guy who plays for a Eagles-Bears-Ravens team because it makes their pick of that RB look more credible. Choose a RB on a more high-profile team.

I don't think it's the homer in me that says Foster is the best RB. The guy is special on many levels. His best attribute is that Barry Sanders-like ability to create something out of nothing. You can see defense's sort of shrink away from their duties when Foster begins putting on a clinic on the field, their body language changes...they just sort of start watching his moves instead of trying to really tackle him. They become spectators.
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I dont think he could ever take over a game in the passing area. Arian can so that gives him the edge.
Yup. I'd rather have af. But mjd does quite well in the passing game. Hes the only bona fide offensive threat the jags have had for years yet he averages 46.3 receptions a season...thats hardly a liability. I have seen him take over games as a reciever.
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There's one thing that Foster does better than anyone in the league, imo. It's a skill that amazes me at times, one he takes quiet pride in...
He has vision and agility better than anyone i have seen since Sanders.
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There's one thing that Foster does better than anyone in the league, imo. It's a skill that amazes me at times, one he takes quiet pride in...
Poetry?
LOL. That. too.

Foster is one of the best I've seen at minimizing hits, slipping big hits. You rarely see a defender get a clean hit on him. It's a subtle skill, but one that is sooo important for longevity. If I'm a GM ... with ZBS offense that has a history of eating RBs ... I love it.

He glides when he runs, but still is able to finish a play with that extra bit of effort to avoid solid contact so he can get up & do it again. Impressive!
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Foster is one of the best I've seen at minimizing hits, slipping big hits. You rarely see a defender get a clean hit on him. It's a subtle skill, but one that is sooo important for longevity. If I'm a GM ... with ZBS offense that has a history of eating RBs ... I love it.

He glides when he runs, but still is able to finish a play with that extra bit of effort to avoid solid contact so he can get up & do it again. Impressive!
This is a trait I have noted. Emmitt Smith was fantastic at it - small space movement accompanied by incredible use of his hands. (Not saying they are otherwise the same). People like to say Tate runs more physically. I would reverse that and say Foster minimizes contact better.

Totally different body type but another long strider who you really judged his speed on the fact people weren't catching him or were getting passed. I know people will hate this because it involves the Cowboys but - Tony Dorsett. Watch the legs.
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If I had to choose one out of the four mentioned in the article for the Texans, I'd go with Foster. Foster is the perfect fit for the system we run.

I love watching LeSean McCoy, the guy is amazing and has more "WTF?" runs than Foster does. But he dances too much to not be as effective as Foster in the Texans' scheme.

Forte is a tougher runner than Foster, but he doesn't cut as quick. Foster is much better in that stretch play we all know and love.

I'm not a big fan of Ray Rice. Not saying he's not good, and I'd be happy if he was a Texan (if Foster wasn't around)... but he'd be #4 on this list for me.

Now getting that out of the way, there isn't a doubt in my mind, the best RB in the whole league is still Adrian Petersen. He's the 2nd best back I have ever watched (after Barry). I know people will knock him by saying he isn't a good receiver, so he's not an all-around back. I think that's crap... he's a decent receiver, but the Vikings simply don't use him in that manner all that much. This guy would excel in any system behind any OL.
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Anybody can run for positive yardage thru a clean gap. To me one of the best measuring tools of a quality back is to watch yardage after contact. Once in a great while i'll think to myself af could've got more yards had he cut left or right or whatever but thats not often. He consistently makes the right cut and consistently gains 2-3 yards after contact given a real opportunity. We're fortunate to have him.
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I think on the field their long speed is very comparable. But, they couldnt appear more different in how they look when they run. Af is a very fluid long strider. He "glides" on the field and it looks effortless. He looks slower because of that style even if they cover the same amount of ground in the same time. Mccoy is just the opposite. Lots of short choppy steps when he runs and cuts etc...

As an aside on foster, he has fantastic field vision while he runs. I think thats the biggest factor in his success.
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Here is another video of Dorsett - Dorsett. Now compare the stride to Foster - Ignore the music and once again look at the legs.

By the way look in the background and the one time you clearly see him get passed by someone it is (a) because he is letting his blocking work just like Foster did last year on his longest run with Jacoby and (b) happens to be a WR who turned out to be the gamble the Texans were taking with Jacoby, Tony Hill (another 3rd rounder). Foster is a good 30 lbs heavier but their leg movement is very similar.

This is what I was talking about earlier and I wish Arian could get better at because I think he has the ability. Watch Emmitt's use of his non-ball carrying hand (has to be the best ever in this regard) - Link Emmitt constantly used his off hand for balance and tackle avoidance.
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Really? Have they run 40's side by side? When was the last time Arian was caught from behind? Foster has 9 40+ yard plays over the past two seasons to McCoy's 8. I say they're very comparable.
i'm honestly just going with seeing both of them play... foster has got good speed and is smoother runner but lesean just seems more explosive and seems to have more straight line speed. just my perception, whatever that's worth. again, i think foster is a better and more well rounded running back.
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