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Old 05-17-2012   #1
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Texans special teams coordinator Joe Marciano joined “Texans All Access” on Tuesday on SportsRadio 610, giving insightful comments on the competition spots in the special teams unit.
The entire interview is worth a listen — Marciano also discussed the upcoming “First Down Dads” event on June 9 — but here’s a snapshot of what he said:

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Asked about fourth-round draft pick Keshawn Martin’s return skills, Marciano said wide receivers Juaquin Iglesias and Trindon Holliday are also in the mix to return kicks for the Texans in 2012. The “sleeper of the group,” he said, is Davin Meggett, an undrafted rookie running back from Maryland and the son of former Pro Bowl returner Dave Meggett. “When I first got in the league, his dad torched me back in the day,” Marciano said. “His dad was a dynamite returner. He can do both punts and kickoffs.” Marciano said Holliday, one of the fastest players in college football history, “can be a dynamite returner in this league,” adding: “I would hate to play against him. But the thing about him here, he has to make it as a receiver. We don’t have the luxury just to carry an extra guy (solely as a returner).”
Looks like the tiny one will get one last chance to make it here.
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Why not? He is under contract still. He has game changing speed. If he does not produce, then cut him. But give him OTAs and TC to prove if he can play or not.
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Year 3 of this project.

This is what I mean when I say "If you just find a way to stick on the PS or roster...Gary will give you roughly 3 or even 4 years to hang around and develop."

I understand it's not costing the team much of anything to keep him around, but does anybody really think he's going to suddenly catch fire and make noise I'm his third year?

I'd like to see guys like him get 2 years max. After that, clear out the clutter and sign new guys to have their 2-year chance at making the team. I guess the only thing, though, is how that would affect cap space.
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Year 3 of this project.

This is what I mean when I say "If you just find a way to stick on the PS or roster...Gary will give you roughly 3 or even 4 years to hang around and develop."

I understand it's not costing the team much of anything to keep him around, but does anybody really think he's going to suddenly catch fire and make noise I'm his third year?

I'd like to see guys like him get 2 years max. After that, clear out the clutter and sign new guys to have their 2-year chance at making the team. I guess the only thing, though, is how that would affect cap space.
Some times guys take a while to develop. I'm not too worried about trying to develop a couple of guys here and there on the PS (like Nading , Jamison, and Bulman, etc.) and giving them multiple chances to make the team. It's not like we've got a platoon of guys who've been on the PS for 4 years at the expense of no newer, younger PS guys.

Most guys only last a year or two before they're gone: Zabransky, Brink, Dickerson, Abbate, etc. You're only noticing Holliday because he's been around awhile and most guys don't last that long.
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Default Re: Coach Joe says Tricycle Holliday still in mix for KR spot

No way this guy makes the team this year with all the new wrs the Texans added in the draft. Keyshawn Martin alone will end Holiday's career here. I never saw much of anything from this guy. As much as I grew to dislike Jacoby after each passing year he still was better than this guy.
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No way this guy makes the team this year with all the new wrs the Texans added in the draft. Keyshawn Martin alone will end Holiday's career here. I never saw much of anything from this guy. As much as I grew to dislike Jacoby after each passing year he still was better than this guy.

How do you know that? He never got a chance on the field.
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Year 3 of this project.

This is what I mean when I say "If you just find a way to stick on the PS or roster...Gary will give you roughly 3 or even 4 years to hang around and develop."

I understand it's not costing the team much of anything to keep him around, but does anybody really think he's going to suddenly catch fire and make noise I'm his third year?

I'd like to see guys like him get 2 years max. After that, clear out the clutter and sign new guys to have their 2-year chance at making the team. I guess the only thing, though, is how that would affect cap space.
His first year he was hurt and went on ir.

Last year he played limited snaps in pre season, but I believe he had one catch in a two minute drill situation. Last year was his first real football year. He spent time on the practice squad, was called up for a game or two, didn't get the chance to field any kicks and was sent back down.

I want the best team possible. Trindon has something that nobody else on the team has and maybe not many people in the league....world class speed. And he's not just a track guy. He is a football player and he loves the game.

If trindon gets the opportunity and provides us with big play capability then great. If he doesnt, we cut him and move on. No biggie. (no pun intended)
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Last year was his first real football year. He spent time on the practice squad, was called up for a game or two, didn't get the chance to field any kicks and was sent back down.
He "fielded" kicks but they were touchbacks and fair catches. He was back there for some kick returns and some punt returns against the Titans.

But then someone was hurt and we needed to his spot and cut him.

At this point, he's kind of a luxury we haven't been able to afford.

EDIT: "Some" might have been too strong a term. I saw him out there for at least 1 each in the first Titans game.
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He was waste of capspace, cut the cord already.
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Looks like the tiny one will get one last chance to make it here.
we have luxury to carry a LS to do just one thing and I'd argur returns is pretty dang significant.
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If he can play up to his potential, it will have been worth the wait. I don't see it happening though.
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He was waste of capspace, cut the cord already.
And you've got a suggestion for a better, cheaper 6th WR/backup kick returner?


My thing with Holliday is find a way to maximize his abilities rather than peg him into a hole he may struggle in. Such as receiving. If he can't catch, hand him the ball. Don't tell me a DL or LBer is going to beat him to the edge on a stretch play. I'm not saying he didn't need practice squad time, I'm saying play to his strengths.
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May the best man win. He is cheap competition for Martin and has potential
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He "fielded" kicks but they were touchbacks and fair catches. He was back there for some kick returns and some punt returns against the Titans.

But then someone was hurt and we needed to his spot and cut him.

At this point, he's kind of a luxury we haven't been able to afford.

EDIT: "Some" might have been too strong a term. I saw him out there for at least 1 each in the first Titans game.
I don't view him as a luxury. Either he's helping the team with big kick returns or he's not. If he's not, he's not making the team, period.

We're not keeping him for his wr skills. He has to provide tremendous value as a return man and if he does that I think we'll find a way to keep him.

Trindon hasn't been kept around these few years in hopes that he'll develop into some dynamic receiver. Sure he needs to provide some value there but I don't view him as a luxury. I view him as any other player. Youre either good enough at what you do in order to justify a roster spit or not.

In his case I believe he'll have to be the primary punt and kick returnee and do both very well.
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And you've got a suggestion for a better, cheaper 6th WR/backup kick returner?


My thing with Holliday is find a way to maximize his abilities rather than peg him into a hole he may struggle in. Such as receiving. If he can't catch, hand him the ball. Don't tell me a DL or LBer is going to beat him to the edge on a stretch play. I'm not saying he didn't need practice squad time, I'm saying play to his strengths.
A lb can get to the edge first easily. Technique and angles will help with that. It helps to have speed when talking about getting to the sidelines, but speed isn't the only factor and lots of fast guys struggle to get to the edges.

All that said, if trindon isn't providing value on returns he's not making it for his offensive capabilities.
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I think Martin was brought in primarily as a KR/PR that has some good WR skills, and since they cut Jacoby, I think it will be his job to lose. This will make it tough for Holliday to make the team IMO.
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My thing with Holliday is find a way to maximize his abilities rather than peg him into a hole he may struggle in. Such as receiving. If he can't catch, hand him the ball. Don't tell me a DL or LBer is going to beat him to the edge on a stretch play. I'm not saying he didn't need practice squad time, I'm saying play to his strengths.
Maehl.

He's actually a WR whereas Holliday is not.
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A lb can get to the edge first easily. Technique and angles will help with that. It helps to have speed when talking about getting to the sidelines, but speed isn't the only factor and lots of fast guys struggle to get to the edges.

All that said, if trindon isn't providing value on returns he's not making it for his offensive capabilities.
True. You have to be playing disciplined angles to keep Holliday's kind of speed in check though, especially if he's coming out of the backfield where you probably can't see him after the snap.


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Maehl.

He's actually a WR whereas Holliday is not.
Holliday is a bubble player. He probably isn't going to make the final cut unless he does something special. I think fans fell in love with him coming out of college, getting drafted for being crazy fast and were a little too disappointed when he didn't make much noise. They could do a LOT worse for a 6th or 7th best WR who probably makes the P squad again.

Jeff Maehl is a bubble player too. We're really talkin Psquad receivers? LOL....good night y'all.
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we have luxury to carry a LS to do just one thing and I'd argur returns is pretty dang significant.
I think the LS spot is a specialty position like the punter. Both are on the squad to do their one, single thing and do it flawlessly. Unless Holliday is a major threat to break a long one whenever the touches the ball - and Coach Joe kinda hinted he is - then he has a spot; otherwise has to contribute in some other fashion like WR or change-of-pace RB.

Hands from everyone who shutters at the thought of Holliday at RB and needing to pick up a blitzing LB....

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Jeff Maehl is a bubble player too. We're really talkin Psquad receivers? LOL....good night y'all.
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