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Old 05-17-2005   #81
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Pat Kirwan's hot list for TE's

1. Cam Cleeland - StL - 6'5", 270 lbs, 29 yo
8 yrs, avg 11.6 yds
2. Marcellus Rivers - NYG - 6'4", 250 lbs, 26 yo
5 yrs, avg 8.4 yds
3. Zeron Flemister - NE - 6'4", 250 lbs, 28 yo
5 yrs, avg 11.6 yds
4. Chad Lewis (R) - Phi - 6'6", 250 lbs, 33 yo
8 yrs, avg 10.3 yds
5. Ken Dilger (R) -Tam - 6'5", 250, 33 yo
11 yrs, 11.5 avg yds
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I sure do look forward to the day when Billy Miller can't make this team. No offense intended, but he's not an NFL caliber TE and yet, I'm afraid this is going to be the 4th consecutive season where I watch him play quite a bit for my team.
Exactly how much is "quite a bit"? Your definition of "quite a bit" apparently is roughly equivalent to my definition of "very little". It's something my companion and I paid a lot of attention to during games because he had a season-long bet going with a classmate about Billy Miller. I'm not particularly crazy about Billy Miller either, but IMO, he had limited playing time in 2004.
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Exactly how much is "quite a bit"? Your definition of "quite a bit" apparently is roughly equivalent to my definition of "very little". It's something my companion and I paid a lot of attention to during games because he had a season-long bet going with a classmate about Billy Miller. I'm not particularly crazy about Billy Miller either, but IMO, he had limited playing time in 2004.

Quite a bit: on passing downs.
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Wonderful News Bennie "they called me Mr. Glass" Joppru is a bust of epic proportions. He hasn't seen ONE friggin down in an NFL game. Another Casserley 2nd or 3rd round bust. To think we could have drafted Jason Whitten who is a star with the Cowboys. Before the draft I was looking forward to the season and a playoff push but I don't think we are close. With McKinney as our starting center, no decent TE, and the drafting of TJ instead of DJ I think we will be luck to reach 7-9 again. Great another season of seeing David Carr running around with no offensive line protection. Awesome.

Oh Bennie, this is your alter ego. You suck and you stole money, get the hell out of Houston. I can't wait till we cut his ***.

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The 2 biggest assumptions of the offseason for the offense, which includes the college draft and FA, is that Joppru would be healthy and ready to play in 2005 as the all purpose TE we've never had and that Seth Wand would have matured to the point to be the effective and competant (if not premiere), LT we've also needed from Day 1 to protect DCs blind side. Lets just hope that they are not as wrong about Wand as they were about Joppru.
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I sure do look forward to the day when Billy Miller can't make this team. No offense intended, but he's not an NFL caliber TE and yet, I'm afraid this is going to be the 4th consecutive season where I watch him play quite a bit for my team.
We need a TE who can block and catch, IMO this is killing Carr as much as the O-line,...Millers in, they're passing..Brueners in, they're running...they may as well alternate Seth Wand and D.Armstrong at TE, they might be more productive
Im a Billy fan for catching the 1st Texan TD, but this guy has to go. Bubba Franks may not be the answer, but he would be a HUGE start. Carr has to have a safety net other than dumping it to Dom all the time.
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Why are they holding onto Joppru? He has shown zilch in how long of a time? Why let seasoned vets go and keep him? I am confused. Must we keep at least one glass house on the roster, is it a rule unwritten somewhere?
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To think we could have drafted Jason Whitten who is a star with the Cowboys.
You cant cherry pick the draft. Get over the fact that we missed Jason.


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With McKinney as our starting center, no decent TE, and the drafting of TJ instead of DJ I think we will be luck to reach 7-9 again.
Oh Bennie, this is your alter ego.
I dont understand this. People wine about our d-line, and our lack of pass rush. So we go out and draft a DE who is better at pass rushing. And then all of the sudden pass rush isnt as big of a concern.

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You suck and you stole money, get the hell out of Houston. I can't wait till we cut his ***.
You are a horrible fan/person. This guy has done nothing but work his *** off to get on the field. He has had some bad luck. But you cant fault him for getting injured. You are the epitome of a bad fan.
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You cant cherry pick the draft. Get over the fact that we missed Jason.




I dont understand this. People wine about our d-line, and our lack of pass rush. So we go out and draft a DE who is better at pass rushing. And then all of the sudden pass rush isnt as big of a concern.



You are a horrible fan/person. This guy has done nothing but work his *** off to get on the field. He has had some bad luck. But you cant fault him for getting injured. You are the epitome of a bad fan.

So Casserley should get another pass when he could have selected a stud TE and instead drafted a major bust. Does Casserley ever need to be held accountable? To sunshine pumpers like yourself the answer is no.

If you are such a super fan like you claim you are by calling me out, you would know that the pass rush from the 3-4 we run comes from our linebackers. DJ would have been excellent at rushing the passer while a fat DL with issues regarding his work ethic and character does not exactly fit the bill.

Don't make me feel sorry for Joppru or to even feel bad for him. He should be feel fortunate that the Texans didn't cut him after he got hurt the second time and was able to be salary cap dead weight that he is. He has collected over $2 million and has done jack squat. He has a nice head start on life and his Michigan degree also helps. Best of luck to him in the rest of his life. That being said I am bitterly disappointed and pissed off at how much of a bust he has been. Getting hurt and being gone for the whole year 3 times before the season has even started is not "bad luck" but rather him being injury prone most likely as another poster has stated due to steroids. That being said Casserley deserves most of the blame for picking this guy.

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Trade down for Heath Miller or TE on 3rd round!!!...
That's the same Heath Miller who couldn't workout prior to the draft because he was recovering from hernia surgery? You must be joking, there was no way the Texans were drafting a TE with a bad groin. Again, what TE was available? Alex Smith went ahead of the Texans 3rd round pick & Kevin Everett was lost for the year with a knee injury. The Texans couldn't solve the TE problem in the draft this year.
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My recommendation to Joppru...drink heavily.
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The 2 biggest assumptions of the offseason for the offense, which includes the college draft and FA, is that Joppru would be healthy and ready to play in 2005 as the all purpose TE we've never had and that Seth Wand would have matured to the point to be the effective and competant (if not premiere), LT we've also needed from Day 1 to protect DCs blind side. Lets just hope that they are not as wrong about Wand as they were about Joppru.
Agreed - I have said it all along that the team had some serious IF's coming into this season and one of the biggest IF's was Tight End - Joppru.

Some other posters have pointed out - They didnt plan for him to get injured again and that he looked healthy thru workouts.

My point would be - Thats really bad planning on the staffs part. They should have known better, especailly after being injured twice and never playing any live downs. They should have brought in competition and a starter at this need position to compete liek they did others, but they choose to ignore it get depth at positions they didnt have a real need at like Safety and Running back. I'm sorry folks, but I dont buy this hoping for the best attitiude with everybody thats semi-injured and they will somehow miraculously recover and provide the starter depth we need. How many times have we had this happen now? Bosselli, Hollings, Joppru, - How many times will the owner keep giving this staff chances to prove it's gambling on the wrong people and wrong things before somebody gets fired?

Honestly This stuff has got to stop. As a general thumb rule I hope for the best after I have planned for the worst. It's a lot mroe sound strategy that most people adhere too.

Where is the planning on the part of the staff for the O-line? This everything is ok and will magically be better because guys understand stuff sounds a whole lot more like smoke and mirrors. IF I am DC right now I am going what the F... are you guys doing in the front office? You guys better hope these guys pick it up and block for a cahnge - it's only going to take David a few more times of getting shell shocked before hes going to maybe get injured, will start losing confidence in the line and the staff.

Bottom line the Staff blew it on this one and like the above poster mentioned - They better hope there second gamble with the offensive line works out really good - or a few coaches may be seeing the un-employment line by mid season.
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Why are they holding onto Joppru? He has shown zilch in how long of a time? Why let seasoned vets go and keep him? I am confused. Must we keep at least one glass house on the roster, is it a rule unwritten somewhere?
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I'll try. Because teams don't just cut players they draft highly in years 1 and 2 when they get injured. Joppru's base salary is reasonably low, he is going to bank his signing bonus no matter what we do. Why cut a player with a low base salary? Nobody saw a knee injury coming.

Why cut seasoned vets? Its a young man's game. It happens all over the league.
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So any official word on the type of injury yet. Last I heard was rumored acl.
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Don't make me feel sorry for Joppru or to even feel bad for him. He should be feel fortunate that the Texans didn't cut him after he got hurt the second time and was able to be salary cap dead weight that he is. He has collected over $2 million and has done jack squat. He has a nice head start on life and his Michigan degree also helps. Best of luck to him in the rest of his life. That being said I am bitterly disappointed and pissed off at how much of a bust he has been. Getting hurt and being gone for the whole year 3 times before the season has even started is not "bad luck" but rather him being injury prone most likely as another poster has stated due to steroids. That being said cASSerley deserves most of the blame for picking this guy.
I feel for Joppru to, but as you say, he's done well by the Texans financially
speaking. Other teams would not have given him a second, let alone a third
chance and risked losing the cash/cap they look as if they have lost.
But I still don't consider Joppru a bust - from what I've read he had no serious injuries in his HS or collegete carrer, no warning of injuries later in
his career when he would enter the NFL. It could have happened to Carr or AJ. And in retrospect, I actually think
he was a prudent pick. They just didn't see him on film, but coached him all
week long at the college all star game the Texans staff managed and got
to see him up close and personal. I mean they could have taken another TE
that they knew less about but reportedly had more upside.
I do fault Cass for not having any better backup plan than what they are left with now which is, at the moment, Miller & Breuner. After last years setback,
they should have stopped assuming Joppru would recover at some point and planned accordingly.
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So Casserley should get another pass when he could have selected a stud TE and instead drafted a major bust. Does Casserley ever need to be held accountable? To sunshine pumpers like yourself the answer is no.
Im not sure if you noticed, but 31 other teams passed on him twice as well. Stop with the "we have the worst GM" bit.

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If you are such a super fan like you claim you are by calling me out, you would know that the pass rush from the 3-4 we run comes from our linebackers. DJ would have been excellent at rushing the passer while a fat DL with issues regarding his work ethic and character does not exactly fit the bill.
This is why I dont respect your opinion. TJ was drafted for the sole purpose of getting into the backfield, and disrupting the timing. He was not drafted to take on 2 blockers and stay still. Watch his game tape. You will see he is a penetrating d-lineman. He has a quick first step, and powerful legs to get in the backfield. But im sure you already knew that. I would have liked to get DJ as well. But the Texans had other plans.

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Don't make me feel sorry for Joppru or to even feel bad for him. He should be feel fortunate that the Texans didn't cut him after he got hurt the second time and was able to be salary cap dead weight that he is. He has collected over $2 million and has done jack squat. He has a nice head start on life and his Michigan degree also helps. Best of luck to him in the rest of his life. That being said I am bitterly disappointed and pissed off at how much of a bust he has been. Getting hurt and being gone for the whole year 3 times before the season has even started is not "bad luck" but rather him being injury prone most likely as another poster has stated due to steroids.
You can think what you want to think. I just dont think he deserves those words. I think he tried his best to make us a better team. Im disapointed it didnt work out either.

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That being said Casserley deserves most of the blame for picking this guy.
Yes. He made a bad pick. But im pretty sure he had no idea Joppru's career would be like this. I think that his Andre Johnson, Dunta Robinson, picks overshadow the Bennie fiasco.
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I feel for Joppru to, but as you say, he's done well by the Texans financially
speaking. Other teams would not have given him a second, let alone a third
chance and risked losing the cash/cap they look as if they have lost.
Joppru's base salary is only $380,000. He gets his bonus money no matter what we do. No team in the NFL would have cut him for his groin when they can just pay him his small base and let him rehab, so I don't think it is accurate to say we have done something no other team would have. It is just a sad situation. Things like this happen in the NFL. The Bills lost their rookie TE this year too.
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Ok folks, I am sad about this as the next guy. But this thread is getting old. Bennie is hurt, and hasnt got a chance to show what he is made of. This has to be horrible for him, and to see you all bashing him because of it is low. Even for a few of you. This kid sees a career that he might have been great at, dropping away and possibly being cut (and good chance no one else would risk on him). I want to win all the games next year too, but get off him. Hopefully, it isnt as bad as they say. If it is, the Texans willl make a decision that is right for the Texans. I am so glad you all have the abilty to see into the future, to pick TE's that have gone on to do great things. Or Since you all screaming about Whitten or a few others, or those yelling about picking up a TE in the draft when it looked that Bennie was back. Matter of fact.... Why arent you on the texans scouting team? Or do you have the luxury of waiting till something happens then claiming it was a bad idea.

Something else while I am on my soap box. Get off of Morecy as well. You have NO bloody idea what these people see in this kid. People yelling about DD, then last year, he does over 1k yards... Oh, they were smart, but he isnt durable. Now, Morecy is picked. People are yelling again. Why dont we SEE if they can do something before you all are screaming about the picks. Gez people.

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