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Old 05-14-2012   #21
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They've got Johnson and Walter penciled in at starter. How is that Kiddie?

In a 3 wide alignment, there will always be 1 rookie on the field. If AJ gets hurt, there will almost always be 1 rookie on the field. If AJ or KW gets a rest, there will most likely bee 1 rook on the field (unless they go to a heavy alignment.) And if KW gets beat out, there will usually be a rook on the field.

With AJ's recent history of injuries and KW's declining skills (and possible injuries as well), there's a good possibility that we could have 3 rookie wideouts on the field on a regular basis. We would be just "" that close to kiddie wides.
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Here's how I think it plays out -

Posey , LeStar Jean , D.Jones and K.Martin all make the roster behind #80 and Walter with Jerrell Jackson and Maehl ending up on the PS.

I believe that none will have a "Huge year" but that each will contribute in different situations with Jean and Posey both seeing time both inside and out while Jones see's most of his opportunities on the outside and Martin on the inside.
I really think the days of us seeing #80 on the field for "every offensive play" are behind us ..... and each of these young guy's will get a good number of snaps. Scoreboard as well as down and distance will dictate the amount of snaps they see on a game by game basis , but I think they all see the field early and often.
I dont see a FA WR coming in unless its a guy who gets cut late that they can sign on the cheap. They have in the past let the young guy's fight it out for roster spots at WR when there were "Names" to be signed in FA .... TO , 85 , WhosYaMomma among them.

I know Kubiak is high on both Jean and Posey .... Those two will be fighting for the majority of snaps .....
This is the closest line of thought that I've got in my mind. With Kube's doing the evaluation and ass chewin' on the receiving corps he'll make a sound call, believe it or not. This is his side of the ball and I believe he's proven himself there.
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I think his knucklehead reputation goes beyond one party. Hence his availability as a free agent, even though you think he can step into Andre the Giant's shoes right now.
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Here's how I think it plays out -

Posey , LeStar Jean , D.Jones and K.Martin all make the roster behind #80 and Walter with Jerrell Jackson and Maehl ending up on the PS.

I believe that none will have a "Huge year" but that each will contribute in different situations with Jean and Posey both seeing time both inside and out while Jones see's most of his opportunities on the outside and Martin on the inside.
I really think the days of us seeing #80 on the field for "every offensive play" are behind us ..... and each of these young guy's will get a good number of snaps. Scoreboard as well as down and distance will dictate the amount of snaps they see on a game by game basis , but I think they all see the field early and often.
I dont see a FA WR coming in unless its a guy who gets cut late that they can sign on the cheap. They have in the past let the young guy's fight it out for roster spots at WR when there were "Names" to be signed in FA .... TO , 85 , WhosYaMomma among them.

I know Kubiak is high on both Jean and Posey .... Those two will be fighting for the majority of snaps .....

How about a small wager? A couple of cold beverages of the winners choice. I'll bet that a veteran wideout is signed before TC.
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How about a small wager? A couple of cold beverages of the winners choice. I'll bet that a veteran wideout is signed before TC.
By veteran he means anyone with more experience than a rookie. Still plenty of training camp roster spots to be filled! Dont do it corrosion. I bet mich can drink like a fish and you'll regret the tab he rings up!
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Here's how I think it plays out -

Posey , LeStar Jean , D.Jones and K.Martin all make the roster behind #80 and Walter with Jerrell Jackson and Maehl ending up on the PS.

I believe that none will have a "Huge year" but that each will contribute in different situations with Jean and Posey both seeing time both inside and out while Jones see's most of his opportunities on the outside and Martin on the inside.
I really think the days of us seeing #80 on the field for "every offensive play" are behind us ..... and each of these young guy's will get a good number of snaps. Scoreboard as well as down and distance will dictate the amount of snaps they see on a game by game basis , but I think they all see the field early and often.
I dont see a FA WR coming in unless its a guy who gets cut late that they can sign on the cheap. They have in the past let the young guy's fight it out for roster spots at WR when there were "Names" to be signed in FA .... TO , 85 , WhosYaMomma among them.

I know Kubiak is high on both Jean and Posey .... Those two will be fighting for the majority of snaps .....
He won't carry 6 WRs. 5 max.

My take:

AJ, KW, Jean, Posey, Martin.

Dwight Jones is PS at best. Maehl will be PS.

Jean will get the nod at WR ahead of Posey and Martin because Kubiak is loyal to upper classmen.

Posey makes the roster because he was our highest drafted WR since maybe Jacoby?

Martin makes the roster due to his value on special teams.

All five of my WR choices are no-brainers. Dwight would have to be all-world from camp through preseason games in order to supplant any of the guys Kubiak values more at this stage.

Dwight Jones should have played nice with UNC. Plus, the early analysis on him is that he's inconsistent but shows flashes....which reminds me of #12 all over again. Sure, DJ is more pure at WR than JJ, but still: There's a reason dude went undrafted.
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I agree that the Texans will stash 2 WR's out of this group on the PS, unless 1 or more go down with injury like Jean last year.

#1 AJ
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Backup #2 Posey
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Dwight Jones should have played nice with UNC. Plus, the early analysis on him is that he's inconsistent but shows flashes....which reminds me of #12 all over again. Sure, DJ is more pure at WR than JJ, but still: There's a reason dude went undrafted.
There's a reason Arian and a couple of other guys went undrafted as well, and that seemed to work out pretty well for us. If the locker room helped to turn some others around, why not D.Jones, especially with his old QB here?
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I'm torn over how Smithiack handled this position this offseason. First I think they made a mistake holding on to Jacoby for as long as they did. I know they were hoping to get something for him but as a result they missed out on any FA WR of note. The only that have noticeably produced recently and are still out there are Braylon Edwards, Plax, Mark Clayton and Adrian Arrington (tore up the preseason last year but only had 9 regular season catches).

On top of that, this Texans team is supposed to be elite. In my humble opinion, truly elite teams don't typically enter TC relying on a preseason phenom coming off a season ending injury and a couple of mid round draft picks to back up a #1 coming off a season plagued by injuries and a serviceable, albeit average, #2.

On the other hand I truly believe the five guys (Jean, Posey, Martin, Maehl, D. Jones) pushing for roster spots all have the potential to lead good/great careers and I've learned that if there's one thing Kubes is truly exceptional at it's finding offensive gems late/after the draft and developing them into professionals that are at least above average.
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Dre, kw, posey, Jean, Martin, jones.

And I think trindon makes the team or is put on ps.
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Who is the 3rd, 4th and 5th?

The Candidates:
Lestar Jean - 2011 UDFA - 2011 IR
Jeff Maehl - 2011 UDFA - 3 games, 0 Receptions
Trindon Hilliday - 2010 6th Round Pick - 0 Receptions
Juaquin Iglesias - 2011 FA - 1 game, 0 Receptions
DeVier Posey - 2012 3rd Round Pick
Keshawn Martin - 2012 4th Round Pick
Dwight Jones - 2012 UDFA
Mario Louis - 2012 UDFA
Jerrell Jackson - 2012 UDFA

My first reaction reading this list is...

Then I realize that there is a player that will be on the roster that's not on this list. A veteran FA WR. The name? Don't know it. But, there has to be one.

What about the rest? Posey will be on the team, obviously. How much will he contribute? Depends on injuries, but I wouldn't expect more than 30 receptions this season.

Keshawn Martin is a year away from giving the team anything in the passing game. Strictly a returner this season.

Lestar Jean was a 2011 camp phenom who made some circus cathes in camp and during the preseason. How that translates to 2012, and how his knee injury has affected him, remains to be seen.

Jeff Maehl is a David Anderson clone that just doesn't give you enough versatility to make a roster.

Juaquin Iglesias has done nothing in his 3 seasons out of college. That won't change here.

Trindon Holliday is still on the roster? Really, Coach Joe? Put the tricycle down.

Mario Louis is a small college walk-on who exploded as a senior. Intriguing practice squad potential.

Jerrell Jackson is major conference underachiever with a load of physical potential. Another practice squad possibility.

I honestly believe that Dwight Jones is the 2nd most talented WR on this roster. Will that translate to the field? Will the Texans coaches get through to him and tap his potential? It's up to Jones. He's the X factor of this WR list. Jones is as familiar (or more) with this offense as any WR not named Andre Johnson or Kevin Walter. He has the physical ability to make plays in the NFL immediately. I think two things can happen with Jones: 1) He is an immediate contributor, as the #3 WR or 2) He's cut in training camp.

Give that guy a #12 jersey and a contract extension NOW!
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He won't carry 6 WRs. 5 max...
Bleacher Report predicts six WR. FWIW
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I think it depends on how many quarterbacks, runningbacks, and fullbacks we decide to keep.
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WR 1 - Andre Johnson, backup - Lestar Jean
WR 2 - Kevin Walter, backup - Devier Posey
WR 3 (Slot) - Keshawn Martin, backup - Jeff Maehl

Practice Squad - Mario Louis, Dwight Jones

Don't call us, we'll call you - Trindon Holliday, Juaquin Iglesias, Jerrell Jackson

If you read all of the column Zierlein goes on to relate this nugget concerning Dwight Jones - "One person with personal knowledge of Jones called him “entitled”, “lazy” and “a turd who doesn’t have the work ethic to make it in the league”...not encouraging.

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There's a reason Arian and a couple of other guys went undrafted as well, and that seemed to work out pretty well for us. If the locker room helped to turn some others around, why not D.Jones, especially with his old QB here?
I'm hoping that this is the case. I like his chances, he just need to get his Sh%t together, & work hard.
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Good looking bunch of young'ns....... that Jerrell Jackson (89) looks like a beast.
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I feel so sorry for Holliday. He can't even reach the top of the fist stack.

He's just sort of hanging his fist in the air.
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How about a small wager? A couple of cold beverages of the winners choice. I'll bet that a veteran wideout is signed before TC.
See mike sims-walker thread.
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By veteran he means anyone with more experience than a rookie. Still plenty of training camp roster spots to be filled! Dont do it corrosion. I bet mich can drink like a fish and you'll regret the tab he rings up!

You likely saved me a bar tab there .... not that I would have complained.



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Work out doesnt mean sign ....

See the Justin Forsett thread (so far).
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Work out doesnt mean sign ....

See the Justin Forsett thread (so far).
I know...but it does reveal they have an intrest an will likely do so soon. I dont know mich but anyone who wants to make a drink wager online can probably empty your wallet with the tab.
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