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Miami Dolphins (+6) at Houston Texans
Houston Texans (-5.5) at Jacksonville Jaguars
Houston Texans (PICK) at Denver Broncos
Tennessee Titans (+7.5) at Houston Texans
Houston Texans (PICK) at New York Jets
Green Bay Packers (-1.5) at Houston Texans
Baltimore Ravens (+3) at Houston Texans
Buffalo Bills (+7) at Houston Texans
Houston Texans (+1) at Chicago Bears
Jacksonville Jaguars (+10.5) at Houston Texans
Houston Texans (+2.5) at Detroit Lions
Houston Texans (-3) at Tennessee Titans
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this earlier on full lines dont really mean much
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im not a gambler, never understood these things, could someone care to explain..
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im not a gambler, never understood these things, could someone care to explain..
It's just another "financial" instrument/product they put out (the last 4 years, from reading it) to bring in more revenues to the house (or to make up for loss of revenues in other areas.

But they do put in a lot of work (including watching films).

My brother in law followed a series called "The line-makers" or "Oddsmakers" something like that, and he told me it was a whole more than interesting.

We think that it's both an "art" and a "science" how they set up these odds.
Overall, they come pretty close to the middle such that the house "earns" the commission as a go-between that processes the bet.

No matter who wins, the house "earns" the commission - conspiracy theory aside.
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im not a gambler, never understood these things, could someone care to explain..


If your team is - points you are favored by that amount and if your team is + points you are the dog.


If your team is -3 and you bet on your team your team must win by more than 3 for you to win, if they win by only 3 you push and it they win by 2 or less or lose you lose.


If your team is +3 your team has to lose by less than 3 or win the game to win. If they lose by 3 you push and if the lose by more than 3 you lose
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If your team is - points you are favored by that amount and if your team is + points you are the dog.


If your team is -3 and you bet on your team your team must win by more than 3 for you to win, if they win by only 3 you push and it they win by 2 or less or lose you lose.


If your team is +3 your team has to lose by less than 3 or win the game to win. If they lose by 3 you push and if the lose by more than 3 you lose
And to add to that just to explain the OP, the points are all based on the visiting team(first team in the row)
So it shows the Dolphins as a 6 point dog in the first line
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One thing to always keep in mind when looking at betting lines is that it is mostly based on how Vegas thinks people will bet, not what they think the outcome of the game will be. As someone already pointed out, they try to set the line to get the same amount of money on either side of the line.
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im not a gambler, never understood these things, could someone care to explain..
To put it simply, Vegas expects us to win 10-13 games. 10 games outright, 2 games could go either way, and they're not putting odds on the last game of the season cause they don't expect it to matter.

They expect us to lose to: The Packers, The Lions, and The Patriots. Possible losses to the Broncos and the Jets.

EDIT: Miscounted. I didn't see we were 1 point dogs to the Bears. So that's 9-12 games, not 10-13.
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Weekly predictions:

Miami Dolphins (+6) at Houston Texans
Houston Texans (-5.5) at Jacksonville Jaguars
Houston Texans (PICK) at Denver Broncos
Tennessee Titans (+7.5) at Houston Texans
Houston Texans (PICK) at New York Jets
Green Bay Packers (-1.5) at Houston Texans
Baltimore Ravens (+3) at Houston Texans
Buffalo Bills (+7) at Houston Texans
Houston Texans (+1) at Chicago Bears
Jacksonville Jaguars (+10.5) at Houston Texans
Houston Texans (+2.5) at Detroit Lions
Houston Texans (-3) at Tennessee Titans
Houston Texans (+6.5) at New England Patriots
Indianapolis Colts (+10.5) at Houston Texans
Minnesota Vikings (+10) at Houston Texans
Houston Texans at Indianapolis Colts

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It'll be interesting watching these odds change throughout the season. Some of the projected losses that are
close games may flip in our favor.
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As much as I love my team, I have to say Hou. @ Ind.

I don't care what odds say, I would have to bet against my team if I were putting money on that one (You all know why, besides I either see history repeat itself and make some on the side, OR we finally get over one more hump, either way..... makes for a silver lining)
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Weekly predictions:

Miami Dolphins (+6) at Houston Texans
Houston Texans (-5.5) at Jacksonville Jaguars
Houston Texans (PICK) at Denver Broncos
Tennessee Titans (+7.5) at Houston Texans
Houston Texans (PICK) at New York Jets
Green Bay Packers (-1.5) at Houston Texans
Baltimore Ravens (+3) at Houston Texans
Buffalo Bills (+7) at Houston Texans
Houston Texans (+1) at Chicago Bears
Jacksonville Jaguars (+10.5) at Houston Texans
Houston Texans (+2.5) at Detroit Lions
Houston Texans (-3) at Tennessee Titans
Houston Texans (+6.5) at New England Patriots
Indianapolis Colts (+10.5) at Houston Texans
Minnesota Vikings (+10) at Houston Texans
Houston Texans at Indianapolis Colts

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I understand this is the weakest S.O.S. we've played since the Kubiak era began. But this looks "interesting" to me. Interesting as in strange.

We're a wash with Denver & the Jets, 1 point Dogs to Chicago & Greenbay.
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I understand this is the weakest S.O.S. we've played since the Kubiak era began. But this looks "interesting" to me. Interesting as in strange.

We're a wash with Denver & the Jets, 1 point Dogs to Chicago & Greenbay.
Oops, I miscounted in my previous post.
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If AJ & Schaub remain healthy and we don't lose DB or Foster we could win all 16. Packers & Pats are only questions to me.
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I understand this is the weakest S.O.S. we've played since the Kubiak era began. But this looks "interesting" to me. Interesting as in strange.
How is this SOS weak?

That comment seems pretty interesting and strange to me, TK!
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I understand this is the weakest S.O.S. we've played since the Kubiak era began. But this looks "interesting" to me. Interesting as in strange.

We're a wash with Denver & the Jets, 1 point Dogs to Chicago & Greenbay.
You have to remember that Vegas usually gives a 3 point edge to the home team meaning that 2 even teams meeting will see the home team as -3 favorite. In the NFL that happens quite a bit.

So considering the Jets and Broncos games are pick em' games then Vegas sees us as the better team.
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I understand this is the weakest S.O.S. we've played since the Kubiak era began. But this looks "interesting" to me. Interesting as in strange.

We're a wash with Denver & the Jets, 1 point Dogs to Chicago & Greenbay.
hmmm... one point dogs to the Bears and the Pack. Both games at their place. Does that mean Vegas thinks the Pack and Bears are on equal ground? Interesting.....
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How is this SOS weak?

That comment seems pretty interesting and strange to me, TK!
This is the first time since Kubiak has been here, that we'll start the season with a S.O.S. below .500

I know looking at the Bears, the Jets, don't "look" like an easy schedule, but they were both 8-8 last season. Then Peyton Manning makes the Division leading Broncos a better team, but they won their division @ 8-8 as well.

On paper, just looking at last season's W-L, it's the easiest schedule we've had in the last 6 years.

I know it doesn't mean a lot to some, but it's what I base the progress of the team on. All those teams on our schedule made moves during the offseason to make them better. So did we. Our W-L at the end of the 2012 season will tell us how much better we made our team relative to the teams on our schedule.

We were a winning organization at the end of the 2011 season. Most of the teams on our schedule were not. We go into the season with a bit of an advantage, something this organization has never done. It's going to be interesting to see how they (we) do.

Many teams have been in this situation before, only to go backwards, then spiral off into obscurity. The Buffalo Bills are also in a similar situation. They also have a similar S.O.S. they were not winners last season, but they showed a lil bit of somethinsomethin. I'm going to be watching these two teams as the season goes on.

I don't know about you guys, but I thought it was funny when they fired Jauron & had to "settle" for Chan Gailey. I thought Gailey was done as a head coach, like Capers (who also came from the Cowher tree).

So, I'm curious to see how things go for Buffalo.

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