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Old 05-10-2012   #1
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Hi, I was just thinking...this year we seem to have a very solid team which allow us to have some flexibility on next years draft.

With the uncertainty of Posey as a n2 WR this year and the lack of quality depth in this position, do you guys think that we could make a big move next year?

In thinking we will draft late again next year (around 25 or up), with our D a really solid point, do you guys think we can go and get Robert Woods from USC?

I think we could trade our 1st and 2nd to move up and get him around 10 to 15 spot if he falls, but looks like top WRs will go before the tens.

We also have a situation of Ben Tate, with a possible contract the following year it will be the ideal time to package him with a pick to move up.

So how about our first rounder, Fourth and Ben Tate for the 6th to 8th selection of the draft and their 5th rounder?

Remember that we could have several compensation picks next year so it will be the ideal time to try and move up.
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I see it. I dont want to speculate the position/player we are targeting, or who we would even give up (although Tate's contract status IS something to follow), but I see next year's draft being ripe for a trade up.

Since we are on receivers, check out Tennessee junior Da'Rick Rogers. 6'3" 215 lbs, and will run a 4.4 without a doubt.

Here is a highlight vid- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BHOXRyDLuw
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Not bad, he looks to be a top 10 WR next year, could be top 5. Impressive numbers for a sophmore. Big guy, that is very important for our offense.

Also, I was checking this other guy: Joseph Fauria from UCLA, TE 6-8' running a 4.7 to 4.8... Yes I said 6-8'!!!

Looking how people fall in love with Fleener this year, imagine how they will react once they see this monster's profile!

Anyone heard of him?
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Hi, I was just thinking...this year we seem to have a very solid team which allow us to have some flexibility on next years draft.

With the uncertainty of Posey as a n2 WR this year and the lack of quality depth in this position, do you guys think that we could make a big move next year?

In thinking we will draft late again next year (around 25 or up), with our D a really solid point, do you guys think we can go and get Robert Woods from USC?

I think we could trade our 1st and 2nd to move up and get him around 10 to 15 spot if he falls, but looks like top WRs will go before the tens.

We also have a situation of Ben Tate, with a possible contract the following year it will be the ideal time to package him with a pick to move up.

So how about our first rounder, Fourth and Ben Tate for the 6th to 8th selection of the draft and their 5th rounder?

Remember that we could have several compensation picks next year so it will be the ideal time to try and move up.
1. Its way too early to speculate on a player. A year ago Crick was a late first/2nd round talent and after an injury we saw where he ended up.

2. ben tate is a quality back on a cheap contract. Why wouldn't we want to keep him? In an age of a salary cap, having cheap highly talented players is a must.

3. Never, ever bank on compensatory picks. They are based on a formula of # of players signed vs lost. Players traded or cut do not factor in.

Additions: 4: Bradie James, Donnie Jones, Shayne Graham, John Beck

Subtractions: 5: Mario Williams, Jason Allen, Joel Dreesen, Mike Brisiel, Neil Rackers,

The Texans will likely keep James, Jones, and Beck to start the season. Jones will kick until Hatmann returns. James and Beck will be depth. If the Texans don't lose any other FAs, then it would be 5 losses-3 gains, resulting in 2 picks. If none of the picks contribute heavily, it is likely the Texans get 2 picks between the 3rd-5th.

But that is a rough estimate and is based on net loss, playing time, and salary.
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Good explanation about the compensatory picks, those we will have to wait but even with a 3rd (for Mario) and maybe a 5th (for Briesel) we still have a few picks to work around a trade.

Regarding Tate, he is great but next year will be his 3rd year of his 4th year of contract so that means he will enter the 2013 season as his last year of contract, we either trade him and get something in return or he will walk for nothing just like Mario did because Ben will want big bucks and we cannot affort to pay big bucks for a backup ( a great one but a backup at the end).
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Remember that we could have several compensation picks next year so it will be the ideal time to try and move up.
Also remember that compensatory picks cannot be traded.

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Way too early.

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Additions: 4: Bradie James, Donnie Jones, Shayne Graham, John Beck

Subtractions: 5: Mario Williams, Jason Allen, Joel Dreesen, Mike Brisiel, Neil Rackers,
Of the additions, none signed a contract that will likely qualify as a free agent gain. Other than Rackers, the subtractions are likely free agent losses. The Texans are looking at net -4 in free agency. So the Texans are likely looking at picking up a 3rd round pick for Mario, a likely 5th for Allen, a 5th or 6th for Brisiel, and a likely 6th for Dreessen.

Again, none of these picks can be dealt. But, they do give the Texans 11 picks in the 2013 draft, and more flexibility to use the standard picks in trade. For whom, for what at this point is crazy to speculate.
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I went and asked the Nostradamus quatrain generator and I'm thinking we may want to stay away from any trades next year.

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I went and asked the Nostradamus quatrain generator and I'm thinking we may want to stay away from any trades next year.
So you're saying it's no coincidence that in this year's draft, Belichick and the Patriots finally stopped trading down for future draft picks?
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So you're saying it's no coincidence that in this year's draft, Belichick and the Patriots finally stopped trading down for future draft picks?
Not even the Mayans saw that one coming
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Hi, I was just thinking...this year we seem to have a very solid team which allow us to have some flexibility on next years draft.

With the uncertainty of Posey as a n2 WR this year and the lack of quality depth in this position, do you guys think that we could make a big move next year?

In thinking we will draft late again next year (around 25 or up), with our D a really solid point, do you guys think we can go and get Robert Woods from USC?

I think we could trade our 1st and 2nd to move up and get him around 10 to 15 spot if he falls, but looks like top WRs will go before the tens.

We also have a situation of Ben Tate, with a possible contract the following year it will be the ideal time to package him with a pick to move up.

So how about our first rounder, Fourth and Ben Tate for the 6th to 8th selection of the draft and their 5th rounder?

Remember that we could have several compensation picks next year so it will be the ideal time to try and move up.

I was thinking the same thing about a trade up but for a different position, QB. I don't want anyone to misconstrue my intentions here, I like Schaub, he's a good QB this is just a thought and a topic of discussion. Schaub will be a FA at the end of next season and thus he will get very expensive. If we re-sign Schaub it will restrict us in signing our own FA, or other FA on the open market. Schaub has also been hurt and missed significant playing time in 3 of his 5 yrs. with the Texans, and currently has a significant foot injury that he may not be fully healed and ready by the beginning of the season regardless of the sunshine the organization keeps pumping out. Schaub is a good QB but not great, even his biggest supporters have to admit their's room for improvement at the QB position. Also Schaub has never lead this team to the playoffs or beyond in his 5yrs. here, and though that's not entirely his fault due to the teams talent level, injuries, and coaching issues, he's still the QB and alot of it will fall on his shoulders regardless. So the big question for Rick Smith, I'm glad it's his decision and not mine, do we re-sign a 31 yr. old often injured, very expensive, QB that hasn't lead us to the playoffs or do we take our chances with a 1st round rookie with tons of talent and potential but will obviously be a project. Also if we're ever going to trade up for a QB, next year may the the year of the QB in the draft since their are currently approx. 6 or more QB's that could go in the 1st round of the 2013 draft, obviously depending on how they perform next season. Opinions?
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I see it. I dont want to speculate the position/player we are targeting, or who we would even give up (although Tate's contract status IS something to follow), but I see next year's draft being ripe for a trade up.

Since we are on receivers, check out Tennessee junior Da'Rick Rogers. 6'3" 215 lbs, and will run a 4.4 without a doubt.

Here is a highlight vid- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BHOXRyDLuw
Excellent player to watch 65 and on my list also. His charges were dropped after an offseason bar brawl (Sept 2010) that led to teammates being arrested. I do expect him to come out after this season.
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Hi, I was just thinking...this year we seem to have a very solid team which allow us to have some flexibility on next years draft.

With the uncertainty of Posey as a n2 WR this year and the lack of quality depth in this position, do you guys think that we could make a big move next year?

In thinking we will draft late again next year (around 25 or up), with our D a really solid point, do you guys think we can go and get Robert Woods from USC?

I think we could trade our 1st and 2nd to move up and get him around 10 to 15 spot if he falls, but looks like top WRs will go before the tens.

We also have a situation of Ben Tate, with a possible contract the following year it will be the ideal time to package him with a pick to move up.

So how about our first rounder, Fourth and Ben Tate for the 6th to 8th selection of the draft and their 5th rounder?

Remember that we could have several compensation picks next year so it will be the ideal time to try and move up.
Good thread. If you trade Tate, you have to replace Tate, either using a draft pick that you hope develops. It's a gamble but I'd be willing to risk a trade. I think this draft will allow Houston to go after top replacement guys such as OLB (Barwin gone)QB (Schaub gone) and a WR. Even though comps cannot be traded they do allow flexibility in trading our own picks. If we get a 3rd, 4th and 5th in comp we can used our own to better our situation. It gets even better if Yates becomes out 2013 starter.
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I was thinking the same thing about a trade up but for a different position, QB. I don't want anyone to misconstrue my intentions here, I like Schaub, he's a good QB this is just a thought and a topic of discussion. Schaub will be a FA at the end of next season and thus he will get very expensive. If we re-sign Schaub it will restrict us in signing our own FA, or other FA on the open market. Schaub has also been hurt and missed significant playing time in 3 of his 5 yrs. with the Texans, and currently has a significant foot injury that he may not be fully healed and ready by the beginning of the season regardless of the sunshine the organization keeps pumping out. Schaub is a good QB but not great, even his biggest supporters have to admit their's room for improvement at the QB position. Also Schaub has never lead this team to the playoffs or beyond in his 5yrs. here, and though that's not entirely his fault due to the teams talent level, injuries, and coaching issues, he's still the QB and alot of it will fall on his shoulders regardless. So the big question for Rick Smith, I'm glad it's his decision and not mine, do we re-sign a 31 yr. old often injured, very expensive, QB that hasn't lead us to the playoffs or do we take our chances with a 1st round rookie with tons of talent and potential but will obviously be a project. Also if we're ever going to trade up for a QB, next year may the the year of the QB in the draft since their are currently approx. 6 or more QB's that could go in the 1st round of the 2013 draft, obviously depending on how they perform next season. Opinions?
Hopefully Posey can become a WR1. Rodgers is a stud, a top 5 guy. IMHO

With that said I would do a RG3 type deal to trade up and get Tyler Bray if he comes out. He has the ability to be a franchise QB. I would do this even if Schaub is able to come back and have a good yr.

Re-sign Schaub to a 2 yr deal with a club option for a 3rd yr and draft Bray. Your QB situation will be solved for the next 10-15 yrs. I would try to trade Yates and Tate to recoup some of the draft capital lost in trading for Bray.

This will require the Texans to step up and make a bold move. Unlike their conservative ways of the past.
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Hopefully Posey can become a WR1. Rodgers is a stud, a top 5 guy. IMHO

With that said I would do a RG3 type deal to trade up and get Tyler Bray if he comes out. He has the ability to be a franchise QB. I would do this even if Schaub is able to come back and have a good yr.

Re-sign Schaub to a 2 yr deal with a club option for a 3rd yr and draft Bray. Your QB situation will be solved for the next 10-15 yrs. I would try to trade Yates and Tate to recoup some of the draft capital lost in trading for Bray.

This will require the Texans to step up and make a bold move. Unlike their conservative ways of the past.
NO! signed Matt Schaub.

Now whatcha gonna do?
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NO! signed Matt Schaub.

Now whatcha gonna do?
Make the deal for Bray.

Sign a vet to be a mentor. I like Volek much better than Beck.

Then the young defense and Bray can grow together.
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Make the deal for Bray.

Sign a vet to be a mentor. I like Volek much better than Beck.

Then the young defense and Bray can grow together.
I do agree that Yates is not the solution or the future for the Texans and I will not be oppose to us drafting a QB but I will do it on the 2014 draft and give Schaub a 2 year contract. I really like Schaub and I think he could lead us deep into the playoffs with a decent team like the one we have right now. Let's not forget that Schaub put out huge numbers with AJ AND Walter/JJ, imaging what he can do with a great WR2 and a decent slot WR, along with OD and Foster.

I dont think we can get anything more than a 7th for Yates but Tate can give us a nice chip to trade.

When I talked about the compensatory picks I was referring to our own picks (for trading), I know the compensatory picks cannot be traded but still give us flexibility.

One last point, next year we may have up to 11 draft picks, remember that is a 53 players roster and we are not going to sign 11 new players to take 11 spots of veterans, which make us more likely to trade some of those picks to get better positions throughout the draft, however knowing Rick and his draft ways I dont see him moving up and doing a big splash
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Make the deal for Bray.

Sign a vet to be a mentor. I like Volek much better than Beck.

Then the young defense and Bray can grow together.
I'd agree with that if we make it to SB next season because we will take a step back starting a rookie based on an earlier comment that Yates would be traded. Team better be very careful of any move that causes us to go backward even if only for one season.
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I'd agree with that if we make it to SB next season because we will take a step back starting a rookie based on an earlier comment that Yates would be traded. Team better be very careful of any move that causes us to go backward even if only for one season.
I misunderstood your post. I thought you said what would I do if we didn't re-up Schaub.

The way to go is to extend Shaub for 2 yrs (if healthy) draft Bray and let him learn the offense while not being under the pressure of having to produce immediately.

Bray would be an upgrade over Yates when Schaub gets hurt again and would be worth the draft capital spent. He's a franchise QB that this franchise has never had. IMHO (Elite)
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I'm simply amazed that the Colts went from Manning to Luck only sacrificing one season.

I didn't expect Mercilus to be there #26. I believe Texans seriously talked about moving up to draft him? So really depends who they target, were they select & how high he is needed/graded. If Brooks Reed didn't have such a strong showing his rookie season, with Mario leaving, Texans probably would have traded up but instead waited from a position of strength.

QB position is similar. Once Rick & Gary get their extensions, they can move forward in planning stages to secure this positions future, from a position of strength, which means doubtful they trade up, more likely stay put & get a deal done with Schaub.
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I went and asked the Nostradamus quatrain generator and I'm thinking we may want to stay away from any trades next year.
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"The gods will make it appear to the humans
From the sky will come a great King of Terror

King and Reb will face an Antichrist so false

Drinking by force the waters poisoned by sulfur"
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Is that why my Kool-Aid is tasting funny?
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