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Texans get Bs, Cs in 2012 draft gradesPosted by Nick Scurfield on April 30, 2012

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The Texans’ 2012 draft class was mildly well-received by media pundits, several of whom have graded the draft for all 32 NFL teams over the last couple of days.

It’s impossible to truly evaluate a draft class until a few seasons have passed (2006, anyone?), but that doesn’t stop people from posting draft grades anyway. And as long as they’re out there, we feel obligated to pass them along. Without further ado:

Houston Chronicle (John McClain): B
Analysis: “GM Rick Smith took a chance by trading out of the second round before getting [DeVier] Posey, suspended for 10 games last season, and [Brandon] Brooks, who wasn’t invited to the combine. [Ben] Jones was ranked second at center. [Jared] Crick was an excellent pick. [Randy] Bullock is first kicker drafted in team history.”

ESPN.com (Mel Kiper): B
Analysis: “I had Whitney Mercilus as a good fit at defensive end as high as No. 19 with the Bears, so he’s a pretty good value at No. 26. He isn’t Mario Williams, but the defense made a huge leap in 2011, and the Texans clearly want to make sure Wade Phillips has the tools he needs. He’s not a great value at No. 68 overall, but I’m intrigued by the DeVier Posey pick. He had to sit out so many games last year I don’t think scouts saw enough of him. He has really good hands, can create some matchup problems, and might be a little underrated in his ability to stretch the field. I also really like Keshawn Martin. He creates space and should stick with this team. Ben Jones and Brandon Brooks help the interior of that offensive line. I was surprised the Texans didn’t get a linebacker. At one time I saw Jared Crick as a second-rounder. If he regains form, that’s a good value in the fourth.”

NFL.com (Michael Lombardi): B
Analysis: “I always believe when you can strengthen a strength – and I think that’s the 49ers’ greatest testimony when they drafted Aldon Smith last year; it was a part of a strength – this year the Houston Texans can come off the edge. Whitney Mercilus can do that. I think that was outstanding. Brandon Brooks gives them another inside, strong player. I gave them a B. I like it.”

Sporting News (Vinnie Iyer): B
Analysis: “Key picks: OLB/DE Whitney Mercilus, WR DeVier Posey, DT Jared Crick. Following up the J.J. Watt-Brooks Reed combination, Wade Phillips should feel very good how his elite 3-4 just reloaded, again.”

FOXSports.com (John Czarnecki): B-
Analysis: “Houston has consistently selected defensive players in the first round, and didn’t disappoint its fans with Illinois pass rusher Whitney Mercilus, who had 16 sacks last season. Some teams pegged Mercilus as a one-year wonder, but he suits what defensive coordinator Wade Phillips loves to do. … Nebraska defensive tackle Jared Crick was another gem with the 126th overall pick. … Apparently, the Texans want to cut Jacoby Jones loose based on taking two more receivers in Ohio State’s DeVier Posey and Michigan State’s Keshawn Martin, who’s not afraid to go over the middle. Martin has 4.46 speed and figures to be a plus in the return game as well.”

SportsIllustrated.com: C+
Analysis: “There was the good — Whitney Mercilus gives Houston another excellent pass-rusher after Mario Williams’ departure — and the very good — G Brandon Brooks (76) and DE/DT Jared Crick (126) could both be huge for the Texans. There was also a complete meltdown at wide receiver with red flag-heavy DeVier Posey (68) and inconsistent Keshawn Martin (121).”

Yahoo! (Jason Cole): C
Analysis: “There’s nothing wrong with the [Whitney] Mercilus pick, but I keep coming back to the idea that if the Texans needed a pass rusher, why didn’t they just spend the money and keep Mario Williams? That would have freed the team to use its first-round pick on another need or do something more creative. Williams was expensive, but there are times in the building of a team that you spend big to get big results. The Texans are finally at the point of making a big run and they made a move that screamed of remaining middle of the pack. [DeVier] Posey is an intriguing athlete with return ability and [Brandon] Brooks and [Ben] Jones could be starters in fairly short order if the team wants to push them.”

CBS Sports (Rob Rang): C
Analysis: “With a talented group of linebackers already in the fold, it was a surprise to some that the Texans elected to add another pass rusher in Illinois’ Whitney Mercilus in the first round but considering his production and upside, he may have been simply too good to ignore at No. 26. Some veteran talent evaluators thought he was limited to remaining as a 4-3 defensive end. Frankly, this wasn’t Houston’s only head-scratcher. There were better receivers still on the board for the Texans when they instead selected Devier Posey and Keshawn Martin in the second and fourth rounds, respectively. On the other hand, the Texans may wind up with steals in guard Brandon Brooks in the third and versatile, high-effort defensive lineman Jared Crick in the fourth.”
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Yahoo! (Jason Cole): C
Analysis: “There’s nothing wrong with the [Whitney] Mercilus pick, but I keep coming back to the idea that if the Texans needed a pass rusher, why didn’t they just spend the money and keep Mario Williams?That would have freed the team to use its first-round pick on another need or do something more creative. Williams was expensive, but there are times in the building of a team that you spend big to get big results. The Texans are finally at the point of making a big run and they made a move that screamed of remaining middle of the pack. [DeVier] Posey is an intriguing athlete with return ability and [Brandon] Brooks and [Ben] Jones could be starters in fairly short order if the team wants to push them.”
Cause salary cap. Even if we don't sign Myers, we couldn't afford to offer more than 7-8 million this year. Would have had to give Foster the RFA tender, and hope he doesn't get signed elsewhere. Then offer all that extra money to Mario this year and more down the road. I'm sure the Texans would love to have Mario back, but he wasn't worth the cost. Foster+Myers > Mario
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You can go ahead and discount all credibility when the guy says, "why didn't they just re-sign mario?"
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Cause salary cap. Even if we don't sign Myers, we couldn't afford to offer more than 7-8 million this year. Would have had to give Foster the RFA tender, and hope he doesn't get signed elsewhere. Then offer all that extra money to Mario this year and more down the road. I'm sure the Texans would love to have Mario back, but he wasn't worth the cost. Foster+Myers > Mario
Cole must think this is Madden .....
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Well if we actually did re-sign Mario, we would need to use our first on a center or RB, since we could have lost foster and/or myers. So his logic of freeing up the first round pick for another need becomes pointless.
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These are the grades you want.

If you're not in the top 3 picks & you're getting A's from the likes of Kiper et al, you didn't do your own work and you drafted some busts.

Drafting is one thing, but coaching them up & putting them in position to succeed counts for a lot. You just hope you got guys who will put in the constant work necessary, putting that over everything else.
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Same as it ever was.
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Yahoo Sports proves once again that they should not be taken seriously.
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CBS Sports (Rob Rang): C
Analysis: “With a talented group of linebackers already in the fold, it was a surprise to some that the Texans elected to add another pass rusher in Illinois’ Whitney Mercilus in the first round but considering his production and upside, he may have been simply too good to ignore at No. 26. Some veteran talent evaluators thought he was limited to remaining as a 4-3 defensive end. Frankly, this wasn’t Houston’s only head-scratcher. There were better receivers still on the board for the Texans when they instead selected Devier Posey and Keshawn Martin in the second and fourth rounds, respectively. On the other hand, the Texans may wind up with steals in guard Brandon Brooks in the third and versatile, high-effort defensive lineman Jared Crick in the fourth.”

Seriously Rang? Draft just happened last week and can't recall where we drafted Posey? Did Rang graded Posey as second round pick or third round pick? I really don't care how these guys think but just get the story right since they get pay to write these crap.

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Question...

Every "draft grader", as well as the knowledgeable draft followers here are saying what a great pick Brandon Brooks in the third was. I'm probably wrong but I don't recall having seen his name mentioned in all the pre-draft threads here, or really anywhere for that matter.

My question being since he's being lauded as such a great pick, and apparently that's the consensus, why wasn't he even invited to the combine.

Inquiring minds and all that...
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How do these people have jobs?
Hell if I know .... Many of us who post here have better writing skills and are much more accurate.

Im still tryin to figure out why the Crapical keeps McLaim around. His sources moved to Hillbilly Holler .... and they only keep Anna Megan around for her looks , definately not anything of substance , what has she contributed to the Crapical in the last year ?!


Feigen is at least decent in his coverage of the Rockets , even if its not very comprehensive.


Why is Solomon still on their payroll ?



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I'm really not trying to be a smartass here, but: because we read it...

I myself haven't read much of the draft grade stuff, but a lot of people like to read what these guys are saying about their team... These guys really don't need to put forth that much effort... Just give a grade, make sure their facts are straight, then collect a check...
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Every "draft grader", as well as the knowledgeable draft followers here are saying what a great pick Brandon Brooks in the third was. I'm probably wrong but I don't recall having seen his name mentioned in all the pre-draft threads here, or really anywhere for that matter.

My question being since he's being lauded as such a great pick, and apparently that's the consensus, why wasn't he even invited to the combine.

Inquiring minds and all that...
No one understand why he wasn't invited to the Combine. One of the guys here on TT mocked him to us.

CBS Draft Scout had him ranked as a 2nd round talent and the 4th best guard in the draft. WalterFootball had him as the 6th best guard (but they had Cordy Glenn as a guard instead of a tackle) and they had him going in the 2-4th round.

He was not an unknown quantity. He was a known, quality guy.
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No one understand why he wasn't invited to the Combine. One of the guys here on TT mocked him to us.

CBS Draft Scout had him ranked as a 2nd round talent and the 4th best guard in the draft. WalterFootball had him as the 6th best guard (but they had Cordy Glenn as a guard instead of a tackle) and they had him going in the 2-4th round.

He was not an unknown quantity. He was a known, quality guy.
That would be Yaky. Hell of a call that deep in the draft.
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That would be Yaky. Hell of a call that deep in the draft.
Yaky called Mondek, the 6th rounder. I believe a couple guys were on the Brooks train, but the name coming to my mind the quickest is steelb.
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I'm really not trying to be a smartass here, but: because we read it...

I myself haven't read much of the draft grade stuff, but a lot of people like to read what these guys are saying about their team... These guys really don't need to put forth that much effort... Just give a grade, make sure their facts are straight, then collect a check...
I don't read it. If it wasn't posted here I would never bother seeking their opinion out.
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I don't know. I gave the Texans a B myself, can I get paid for that now?
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you'd think these guys would do a modicum of homework and at least vaguely understand a teams cap and free agent issues before commenting on why they draft like they did.
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