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Old 05-01-2012   #1
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Default How much do teams share scouting services?

This is something I'm curious about, in general. I was thinking about this during some of the heated discussions on player rankings during the draft.

I have heard several references in the past to particular scouting services providing info to multiple NFL teams. I assume they charge some price, and give their analysis on all the players they've looked at to whichever teams pay (as opposed to, say, taking a "contract" to analyze some particular set of players for a team). I would guess that teams use this as a filter to identify players to take closer looks at, or maybe to provide some independent views from their own scouts, or whatever.

I'm wondering how this is set up for most teams. Does anyone know:
1) Do most teams pay some outside scouting service (or use a free service)?
2) How many teams do these services give info to?
3) How many such services do teams usually pay for?
4) Do teams ever contract out their scouting to outside firms, or do all teams do the majority of their scouting in-house?
5) How do teams use this information? How does it tie in with what their own scouts say?

I'm just curious. We hear a lot about how teams have different rankings, and every year there is at least one "Huh?" draft pick (e.g. Jax drafting the punter in the 3rd), that presumably comes from the differences in scouting reports and team needs. We also see plenty of cases where a player drops from what the public rankings would show, and I wonder if this is due to every team independently coming to the same conclusion, some confidential information (e.g. failed drug test) that is passed on to all teams, or possibly some scouting service that is widely used by teams propagating the same evaluation to everyone.

Also, I wonder whether teams relying too heavily on their own scouts could lead to a bunch of other problems. As one example, rmartin65 pointed out that the Texans drafted a lot of Big 10 players this year. This seems like it could indicate that their Big 10 scout was just generous on his player rankings this year, relative to say the SEC scout.

Does anyone know details about how teams actually handle all this?
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BLESTO (Bears, Lions, Eagles and Steelers Talent Organization), National and Quadra scouting services created the combine I think. It saved the teams a ton of money for concentrating their resources for redundant activities. Last time I looked for info on this was several years ago and I think that like 25 teams or so subscribed to one of these services.
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BLESTO (Bears, Lions, Eagles and Steelers Talent Organization), National and Quadra scouting services created the combine I think. It saved the teams a ton of money for concentrating their resources for redundant activities. Last time I looked for info on this was several years ago and I think that like 25 teams or so subscribed to one of these services.
Cool - that gave me a good starting point, and I found THIS page, which discusses the scouting more. Assuming that page is recent, it looks like 12 teams (including Houston) are part of BLESTO and 15 part of the National, with 5 teams in neither. The price is kind of steep for both, >$100K plus have to provide one scout... Houston seems to have moved, since it was listed last year in the National (not sure if the article I linked to is the more recent one or the old one.
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Five teams out of the thirty-two NFL teams are unaffiliated with either scouting combine organization: Baltimore Ravens, Indianapolis Colts, New England Patriots, Oakland Raiders and Washington Redskins.
One of these things is not like the others...

Haha, that explains a lot.
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Cool - that gave me a good starting point, and I found THIS page, which discusses the scouting more. Assuming that page is recent, it looks like 12 teams (including Houston) are part of BLESTO and 15 part of the National, with 5 teams in neither. The price is kind of steep for both, >$100K plus have to provide one scout... Houston seems to have moved, since it was listed last year in the National (not sure if the article I linked to is the more recent one or the old one.
Cool post on a topic I hadn't even thought of. That was a great link. Thanks for posting!
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Tom Modrak hired as BLESTO Scouting director per Rob Rang - http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/b...uting-director

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While every NFL team relies on their own scouting department to ultimately guide their draft-day decisions, some clubs find that joining a scouting service such as BLESTO is an effective way of cutting down the hundreds of thousands of potential college prospects to watch to a more manageable number.
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