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Old 04-30-2012   #21
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KJ has reached a point where he isn't going to lose you games of his own accord, with good safety play behind and pass rush up front , KJ just needs to take another step forward this offseason and show that he can be full time #2 which I'm comfortable with.

They always talk about the 3rd year at CB as a breakout year, just look at Aso for that, not that he's going to be Aso quality but you can see the chance for big improvement from that and many other examples.
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Thats because the talking heads want a 330lb guy to play the nose and dont understand that Wades defense doesnt rely on a big fat tree stump but guy's penetrating gaps.


And you arespot on , Cody has probably been the most consistent DL on the roster over his time in a Texan uniform. He makes plays from sideline to sideline ....



As for the thread topic , I would have liked to have seen a CB drafted at some point but with the guy's they have that didnt play last season , I think they can fill the void left in the wake of Allen.
Agreed,

But they did bring in a huge NT as a UDFA. (Fangupo) Who I believe will not only make the roster, but be a big contributor. The guy was injured a little last yr (Ankle) but he's a stud. Fangupo is strong as an oxe (a 2 down NT) and should provide the run stopping element the fans have been crying for. He should be a good compliment to the lighter NT's Cody/Mitchell.

Man, the DL is going to be deep and talented this yr. I love the Crick pick. LOL He's going to be a very good 5 tech if he can stay healthy. Both Fangupo and Crick fit the mold that Wade looks for in front 7 guys. (Even though Fangupo is a huge NT) Both are very intense players.

As far as the CB's go I think Carmicheal is going to be a sleeper. He has great ball skills and is very fast. He's just short and that could present some problems with bigger WR's outside. Harris has the ability to be a starter, he just needed experience last yr. I could see Wade bringing in a vet CB that gets cut late in camp like they did with Allen.
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Agreed,

But they did bring in a huge NT as a UDFA. (Fangupo) Who I believe will not only make the roster, but be a big contributor. The guy was injured a little last yr (Ankle) but he's a stud. Fangupo is strong as an oxe (a 2 down NT) and should provide the run stopping element the fans have been crying for. He should be a good compliment to the lighter NT's Cody/Mitchell.

Man, the DL is going to be deep and talented this yr. I love the Crick pick. LOL He's going to be a very good 5 tech if he can stay healthy. Both Fangupo and Crick fit the mold that Wade looks for in front 7 guys. (Even though Fangupo is a huge NT) Both are very intense players.

As far as the CB's go I think Carmicheal is going to be a sleeper. He has great ball skills and is very fast. He's just short and that could present some problems with bigger WR's outside. Harris has the ability to be a starter, he just needed experience last yr. I could see Wade bringing in a vet CB that gets cut late in camp like they did with Allen.
steelb, I had the same concerns though now I feel they might not be really warranted. In listening to Bill Kollar's presser, the team didn't seem concerned in the least. That in conjunction with the Bills dropping Fort Knox on Mario after the exact injury leads me to believe that it won't necessarily indicate future issues. But then I'm no CND, so for sure.

The second bolded. I've been thinking that for some time. This was reinforced when for the first time that Rick's been calling the draft, there wasn't a CB taken even though he said he'll always take a CB, or something to that effect.
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No, but I'm starting to get intrigued by him because of all the people talking him up. Smith seemed to be more psyched about this guy than any of the other UDFAs.
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Doesn't look that great from his highlight reel.

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No, but I'm starting to get intrigued by him because of all the people talking him up. Smith seemed to be more psyched about this guy than any of the other UDFAs.
yeah, I was surprised on the Title of the article, They had his name instead of Jones
so I kinda felt that the Texans like the kid a little bit more
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I watched 3 or 4 Oregon games this year and did not remember him at all. Safety is probably the worse position to evaluate on regular tv though.
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Doesn't look that great from his highlight reel.

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Hard to tell a whole lot since they don't show the secondary until the ball is thrown in most of the clips, but he seems to have good ball skills. Looks like he's aware of where the ball is when it's thrown and gets his hands on it.

But that was what, 7 plays?

Gonna have to see him in camp and pre season.
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But that was what, 7 plays?
That was my problem with it. Not a lot there.
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Hard to tell a whole lot since they don't show the secondary until the ball is thrown in most of the clips, but he seems to have good ball skills. Looks like he's aware of where the ball is when it's thrown and gets his hands on it.

But that was what, 7 plays?

Gonna have to see him in camp and pre season.
That is what I came away thinking after watching his highlights. There are quite a few intriguing prospects in this upcoming camp to watch. Much more than years past. Should be an exciting season.
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Yes, I noticed and yes, it's a concern. I think you pretty much need to draft a CB every year in this league. We're going to need some bigger DBs to match up with the Colts & other teams multiple TE sets that's becoming all the rage now.
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No, but I'm starting to get intrigued by him because of all the people talking him up. Smith seemed to be more psyched about this guy than any of the other UDFAs.
I'm more interested in Desmond Marrow from Toledo. He's listed as a safety by the Texans, but Marrow played boundary cornerback while at Toledo. Based upon his career and pro day measurables, I wonder why not give him a shot at CB?

I went back to the 2010 season, and saw that Juron Criner and Arizona had a big day vs Toledo. But when I saw the video, most of the damage was off the other CB (#6) and bubble screens. Same with Boise State, who threw a lot on Toledo, but not Marrow. To me, Marrow looks like the super sleeper out of this UDFA class.
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I'm more interested in Desmond Marrow from Toledo. He's listed as a safety by the Texans, but Marrow played boundary cornerback while at Toledo. Based upon his career and pro day measurables, I wonder why not give him a shot at CB?

I went back to the 2010 season, and saw that Juron Criner and Arizona had a big day vs Toledo. But when I saw the video, most of the damage was off the other CB (#6) and bubble screens. Same with Boise State, who threw a lot on Toledo, but not Marrow. To me, Marrow looks like the super sleeper out of this UDFA class.
Yep.

In the predict the 53 man roster I had marrow making the team as a safety.

But you are right that he has the measurables to play cb in the NFL.
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I doubt he makes the 53 man roster more likely practice squad, depending on how well rest of group responds in general.

Looks like a Free Safety to me. Long wingspan, good range, hands will need a lot of work on his footwork, getting lower & dropping his hips, but intriguing NFL size with excellent vertical. Committed to work hard must stay healthy.
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Considering the investment they put last year into fixing it, I hope they are content with what they have.

Joeseph is set at #1

KJ ha this year to prove he is a serviceable #2.

McCain moved last year into the slot cover very well. He'll never have the size you want in a true#1 but in this league you got to be 3 deep. Right now it looks like we are.

We still are not sure what we have in Harris whom we moved up to get and Carmicheal at least college looked like a good prospect.

It still wouldn't surprise me to see a vet added late though to this group of CBs specially if KJ struggles and the others don't show promise.

I think as Quinn gets more time at FS he's just going to get more accustomed and get better.

Need Manning healthy all year, but we have our starters set at safety. Now it's just back ups.
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We're very deep at Safety by the numbers what's the most we'd ever carry? Maybe 5 if 2 or 3 of them add lots of value on special teams?

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The top 3 are pretty solid to make the team, Demps brings a lot of value on ST, as does Keo, and they don't tend to give up on draft picks so soon.

Looks like a tough ask for a UDFA S to make the team, and with PS positions limited, and a lot of talent in the UDFA/lower draft class, you have to wonder if safety will be a position they want to spend a PS spot on given that its a position of relative strength in depth.
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We're very deep at Safety by the numbers what's the most we'd ever carry? Maybe 5 if 2 or 3 of them add lots of value on special teams?

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The top 3 are pretty solid to make the team, Demps brings a lot of value on ST, as does Keo, and they don't tend to give up on draft picks so soon.

Looks like a tough ask for a UDFA S to make the team, and with PS positions limited, and a lot of talent in the UDFA/lower draft class, you have to wonder if safety will be a position they want to spend a PS spot on given that its a position of relative strength in depth.
Demps and keo bring "a lot" of value to special teams?

Since when?

Do they suck on special teams? No. But they aren't out their tearing it up either.

I think reserve safety would be one of the easier positions to make it as an udfa. Not a lot of high end draft picks there and both keo and demps were cut at some point and brought back. Demps showed more than Leo, but i wouldn't consider either one locks to make the roster.
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We're very deep at Safety by the numbers what's the most we'd ever carry? Maybe 5 if 2 or 3 of them add lots of value on special teams?

Quin
Manning
Nolan
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Keo

The top 3 are pretty solid to make the team, Demps brings a lot of value on ST, as does Keo, and they don't tend to give up on draft picks so soon.

Looks like a tough ask for a UDFA S to make the team, and with PS positions limited, and a lot of talent in the UDFA/lower draft class, you have to wonder if safety will be a position they want to spend a PS spot on given that its a position of relative strength in depth.
That's where I'm at with it. And this staff was pretty high on Keo when they drafted him. I don't think we saw much in him when he hit the field last season but he plays ST. He's going to have to have a very bad camp not to make the team this year.

And Demps actually gave us some good minutes last year and plays ST. So, again, he's going to have to get seriously outplayed not to make the team.

And then, on the CB side, our three starters are set: JJo, KJ, and McCain. Harris and Carmichael are going to get every opportunity to make the team and hopefully they produce more than they did last year. I was expecting a lot more from them last year -- granted, Carmichael was on IR, but still, I expected something from Harris.

In a way, Carmichael is our "new" rookie CB this year.

IIRC, we usually go with 6 CBs. So we might have room for 1 more. But if we do that, that's probably 1 less DL we go with and that might mean no Fangupo.
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That's where I'm at with it. And this staff was pretty high on Keo when they drafted him. I don't think we saw much in him when he hit the field last season but he plays ST. He's going to have to have a very bad camp not to make the team this year.

And Demps actually gave us some good minutes last year and plays ST. So, again, he's going to have to get seriously outplayed not to make the team.

And then, on the CB side, our three starters are set: JJo, KJ, and McCain. Harris and Carmichael are going to get every opportunity to make the team and hopefully they produce more than they did last year. I was expecting a lot more from them last year -- granted, Carmichael was on IR, but still, I expected something from Harris.

In a way, Carmichael is our "new" rookie CB this year.

IIRC, we usually go with 6 CBs. So we might have room for 1 more. But if we do that, that's probably 1 less DL we go with and that might mean no Fangupo.
Both demps and keo were cut at some point last year. Demps flashed a little but I think you are wrong. I think they are far from locked into roster spots.
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