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Old 06-12-2012   #301
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Prior to the OTA's my position was that it all depended on Matt's health.

If Matt is healthy, then any veteran brought in is a camp arm and we'll end up with Matt, TJ, and Case as our QBs.

If Matt is not healthy, then the vet brought in will be looked at as a #2 behind Yates to start the season.

However, word from the OTAs is that Matt looks like he's in good shape. So, unless there's some sort of meltdown or something, I expect us to go with Matt, TJ, and Case. If Case just doesn't look like he's getting it OR if Beck steps up and kicks ass, Case might get cut and placed on the PS.

TJ would have to meltdown pretty bad to lose the #2 job, I think.
Honestly, I don't have any ill will against any player competing for a roster spot.
Let the best man win the job.
As fans, what we do is to share knowledges and observations.

If, somehow, Kubiak can help Beck become a better QB, so much as he can be a competent 3rd QB, I would be good with it.

All the same, let's see if we can (try to) decipher what Kubiak meant in this paragraph on Beck:

“He’s a great young man,” Kubiak said. “I knew that. Anytime you play for how many teams he’s played with, and he’s played with a few, he’s played with a lot of coaches, which tells you he can handle all of that. Maybe we’ll settle him down right here and hopefully he’ll be here for a few years.”

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What I read from that paragraph: the best hope for Beck is that he can be a third string QB for a little while; but it's not even a guarantee by any stretch of imagination.
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Prior to the OTA's my position was that it all depended on Matt's health.

If Matt is healthy, then any veteran brought in is a camp arm and we'll end up with Matt, TJ, and Case as our QBs.

If Matt is not healthy, then the vet brought in will be looked at as a #2 behind Yates to start the season.

However, word from the OTAs is that Matt looks like he's in good shape. So, unless there's some sort of meltdown or something, I expect us to go with Matt, TJ, and Case. If Case just doesn't look like he's getting it OR if Beck steps up and kicks ass, Case might get cut and placed on the PS.

TJ would have to meltdown pretty bad to lose the #2 job, I think.
I don't think TJ would lose the #2 job even if he did give the coaches that WTF? moment I mentioned. I just think that it would do enough to make Gary think he needed another viable option with experience on the roster as opposed to a promising project (Case).
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I don't think TJ would lose the #2 job even if he did give the coaches that WTF? moment I mentioned. I just think that it would do enough to make Gary think he needed another viable option with experience on the roster as opposed to a promising project (Case).
I'm going with what I said earlier. Kubiak doesn't want to face the new season with only half a season's worth of NFL experience between his two backups.

I agree with 76T's interpretation of Kubiak-speak: If we can coach Beck up, he's my 3rd stringer until Case shows me he's NFL-ready. Case being "NFL-ready" to Kubiak's satisfaction is unlikely - not impossible, just unlikely - to happen this season.
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I'm going with what I said earlier. Kubiak doesn't want to face the new season with only half a season's worth of NFL experience between his two backups.

I agree with 76T's interpretation of Kubiak-speak: If we can coach Beck up, he's my 3rd stringer until Case shows me he's NFL-ready. Case being "NFL-ready" to Kubiak's satisfaction is unlikely - not impossible, just unlikely - to happen this season.
TJ, for a backup, seemed NFL ready his rookie year. Hell, he's the only QB on the roster with a playoff win under his belt. LOL

Right now Case is more "potential" than anything else, it's just I think there is so much potential there we'd be stupid to let him slip away to another team. I can't wait until the pre-season games are being played so we can get some real answers to our questions.
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... I can't wait until the pre-season games are being played so we can get some real answers to our questions.
I think all you get in pre-season are clues not answers. In 2009 John Busing made some great plays at safety in the 4th pre-season game to make the team. He was awful thereafter.

There may be more recent examples, this is just one that I remember saying during the game, "he just made the team".

We do seem to be improved at our NFL readiness evaluation(excluding Kareem Jackson, Jacoby Jones). Apologist need not respond to this last sentance, I was one.

I too am anxious to see Case in a pre-season game.
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I think all you get in pre-season are clues not answers. In 2009 John Busing made some great plays at safety in the 4th pre-season game to make the team. He was awful thereafter.

There may be more recent examples, this is just one that I remember saying during the game, "he just made the team".

We do seem to be improved at our NFL readiness evaluation(excluding Kareem Jackson, Jacoby Jones). Apologist need not respond to this last sentance, I was one.

I too am anxious to see Case in a pre-season game.
I agree with you in example (Busing). However, you usually get a much greater sample of play when you are trying to evaluate a QB than most other positions. Nothing is a sure deal, but after the completion of a TC stint, there is more material to make a weighted and "educated" decision in choice of QBs vs. many other positions. Of course, only in-season performance truly validates the impressions.
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Interview with Jerry Rhome (you can skip the interview with Keenum - it's pretty lengthy - and come back to it whenever you have some time).

Rhome mentioned guys, including Steve Largent (5'10) and Dave Krieg (6'1).
I doubt that these guys were that "tall".

Toward the end, Rhome shared his though; that Keenum will make the team, and that "if" Keenum has to come in due to the injury to the starters, he'll do well.

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I'm all for Case Keenum making the team & I hope in a few years, he can be a true franchise QB..... heck, I'd like it if that were the case today.

But we've got enough to worry about with the two guys ahead of him on the depth chart.
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Case Keenum has heard it all before.

Heís not tall enough. His arm isnít strong enough. Heís a system quarterback.

Keenum had a record-setting career at the University of Houston, but he went undrafted in April before signing with the Texans as a rookie free agent. One of the biggest knocks on him was his height, measured at 6-0 and 5/8 inches at the NFL Scouting Combine. Critics roundly questioned if he was tall enough to succeed in the NFL.

ďIíd like to see some statistic where they talk about guys who are less tall,Ē Keenum said last week at Reliant Stadium. ďObviously, most other quarterbacks are taller rather than shorter, but thereís got to be more than being 6-4 to be quarterback. I know there is. Thatís something Iíve had to deal with a lot, especially in the last couple months, but when it comes down to being on the field, I havenít heard it at all from any of my coaches or anything. Itís about playing to your strengths, and everybodyís got different strengths. I think Iíve got great footwork and can move around in the pocket and find throwing lanes and move around and find my vision and be able to find receivers and get the ball in their hands.

ďIf youíre moving the ball down the field as a quarterback and breaking records like Drew Brees, nobody says anything about how tall you are, if youíre six-foot or not. If somethingís going wrong, then theyíre going to look for something. ĎWhatís causing this? Oh, well heís short, so thatís why he canít do it.í Or, ĎHis arm strengthís not good enough.í If the ballís where it needs to be and the offense is moving down the field, I think it doesnít matter if youíre 5-2 or 6-2.Ē

Keenumís height didnít seem to matter in college. He left Houston as the Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) career record-holder in passing yards (19.217) and passing touchdowns (155). He ranked seventh in FBS history in completion percentage (69.4) and eighth in passer efficiency rating (160.6). He finished in the top-10 in Heisman Trophy voting twice and had a 37-14 record as a starter.

And yet, Keenumís name wasnít one of the 253 called during the seven rounds of the 2012 NFL Draft.

ďThat wasnít a fun day,Ē he said. ďThat night was a lot better when I knew where I was going and everything like that. The entire draft process, everything leading up to it, was not a blast, either. I tried to look at it in that thereís not many people that even get this chance, and thatís all I needed was a chance somewhere. Iím truly blessed that it just came down the street from where I live, and Iím blessed that one of the best organizations in the NFL is down the street from where I live.

ďWhen it comes down to it, hopefully, one of these days, it wonít really matter how I got here. Iím here. Iím going to attack each day like itís my last, and Iíve tried to get as much out of each day and put in as much into each day as I possibly can. I have so far. Iím going to do that the entire time Iím here. Hopefully, itís longer than shorter.Ē

The draft experience mimicked Keenumís college recruitment Ė or lack thereof. He was a second-team all-state selection at Wylie High School in Abilene, Texas, where he passed for 6,783 career yards and 48 touchdowns, ran for 2,000 yards and had a career record of 31-11. Only one school, Houston, offered him a scholarship.

Six years later, Keenum left the Cougars as the leading passer in NCAA history. He had proven the skeptics wrong.

Heís looking to do the same thing in Houston yet again Ė this time for its NFL team.

ďI tell any high school football player I talk to that itís not about how many stars you have on Rivals or Scout.com or if youíre invited to the Elite 11 quarterback deal, because I wasnít,Ē Keenum said. ďI wasnít one of those guys. Thereís a lot of coaches out there that didnít offer me a scholarship, and Iíd be willing to bet that of the 119 Division I teams out there, I bet 118 are maybe thinking twice about that now. Thatís the way I see it, and I think that high school kids should see that, too. All that stuff is good to some extentÖbut itís not the only way to get into college and to get on even a Division I football program and to go be successful.

ďAll you need is a chance, whether thatís walking on somewhere or going wherever. Just make the most of that chance, and thatís what Iím going to do here.Ē
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The draft experience mimicked Keenum’s college recruitment – or lack thereof. He was a second-team all-state selection at Wylie High School in Abilene, Texas, where he passed for 6,783 career yards and 48 touchdowns, ran for 2,000 yards and had a career record of 31-11. Only one school, Houston, offered him a scholarship.

Six years later, Keenum left the Cougars as the leading passer in NCAA history. He had proven the skeptics wrong.

He’s looking to do the same thing in Houston yet again – this time for its NFL team.

“I tell any high school football player I talk to that it’s not about how many stars you have on Rivals or Scout.com or if you’re invited to the Elite 11 quarterback deal, because I wasn’t,” Keenum said. “I wasn’t one of those guys. There’s a lot of coaches out there that didn’t offer me a scholarship, and I’d be willing to bet that of the 119 Division I teams out there, I bet 118 are maybe thinking twice about that now. That’s the way I see it, and I think that high school kids should see that, too. All that stuff is good to some extent…but it’s not the only way to get into college and to get on even a Division I football program and to go be successful.

“All you need is a chance, whether that’s walking on somewhere or going wherever. Just make the most of that chance, and that’s what I’m going to do here.”
To me, the great QBs are the guys who play with a chip on their shoulder. They defy the odds. They overcome. All of this is what makes the teammates around such a QB strive to go harder, faster, longer in their own NFL lives.

Nobody saw Tom Brady coming. He played with a chip on his shoulder:

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FOXBORO (CBS) – New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft, speaking from Gillette Stadium on Friday, remembers back to when he first met Tom Brady.

The 22-year-old Brady was just as confident as the 34-year-old version that takes the field every Sunday for the Patriots.

“I still have the image of Tom Brady coming down the old Foxboro stadium steps with that pizza box under his arm, a skinny beanpole, and when he introduced himself to me and said ‘Hi Mr. Kraft,’ he was about to say who he was, but I said ‘I know who you are, you’re Tom Brady. You’re our sixth round draft choice,’” recalled Kraft. “And he looked me in the eye and said ‘I’m the best decision this organization has ever made.’ It looks like he could be right.”
Link to story here.

When I read Case Keenum's quotes, he sounds like a guy who knows he can deliver and all he wants is a chance to show it.
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What a maroon.

Case, not you doc.

He should hold a slumber party at his house & call it "practice" that way everyone would know he's a leader & a real NFL QB.


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No he didn't. He played on a team with a bad-ass defense & one of the better kickers the league has ever seen.

Tom Brady wasn't a very good QB for at least his first 4 or 5 years. Maybe there was a chip on his shoulder that made him get better over the years....... he's definitely better.

Those early years, there was Brady vs Manning talk & I thought it was the silliest TV generated crap I had ever heard. Wasn't even close. But in the last 5 or 6 years, Brady has put himself into that conversation & I can now see some people grading him higher than the best there ever was.
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No he didn't. He played on a team with a bad-ass defense & one of the better kickers the league has ever seen.

Tom Brady wasn't a very good QB for at least his first 4 or 5 years. Maybe there was a chip on his shoulder that made him get better over the years....... he's definitely better.

Those early years, there was Brady vs Manning talk & I thought it was the silliest TV generated crap I had ever heard. Wasn't even close. But in the last 5 or 6 years, Brady has put himself into that conversation & I can now see some people grading him higher than the best there ever was.
Oh, I was just thinking that somehow he took the reins of the Patriots and won the Super Bowl fairly quickly...when the guy before him, Bledsoe, failed to do so. My bad.

6th round QBs who win multiple SBs, let alone a single SB, are special. If anybody could have seen the talent...he would have been #1 overall.

Case Keenum has the chance to fly as low under the radar as Tom Brady. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up the Texans' starter and having a pretty decent career at it.
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No he didn't. He played on a team with a bad-ass defense & one of the better kickers the league has ever seen.

Tom Brady wasn't a very good QB for at least his first 4 or 5 years. Maybe there was a chip on his shoulder that made him get better over the years....... he's definitely better.

Those early years, there was Brady vs Manning talk & I thought it was the silliest TV generated crap I had ever heard. Wasn't even close. But in the last 5 or 6 years, Brady has put himself into that conversation & I can now see some people grading him higher than the best there ever was.
Are you freaking kidding me? I hope you're being facetious.

Forget about 2000 (he was a back-up to Bledsoe), but from 2001 to 2005:

Pro-Bowl - 3 times
TD's/Int's - 123/66
Completion % - 62%
QBRating - 88.6%

I dunno know man, but maybe you could re-evalute your standards, because those numbers are pretty freakin' solid in my book. Yes, they had a good defense and yes they had a pretty good kicker but to suggest that Brady wasn't very good is pretty ludicrous, TK.

And this is coming from someone that despises that douche.
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What a maroon.

Case, not you doc.

He should hold a slumber party at his house & call it "practice" that way everyone would know he's a leader & a real NFL QB.


Is that this color, or is this one closer to what you have in mind?

Help me out here TK.

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Case, not you doc.

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Is that this color, or is this one closer to what you have in mind?

Help me out here TK.

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It's a Bugs Bunny thing... from the olden dayz
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Maybe TK should have used a Dilbert reference...
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it's ain't about color
(hmm... could you be that young?!)

It's a Bugs Bunny thing... from the olden dayz
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Maybe TK should have used a Dilbert reference...
Really?? The "Olden Days"??

Hey ****ers, it's you people that brought us into the world of young hipsters AND us into you're terrible "times"...

Wait, WHAT??? Scooby Doo rocked!!! Yosemite Sam? Bugs??? Mid-South Wrasslin' (Paul Bosch) EVERY Saturday morning was the bomb!!!

That ****e was GOOD Saturday morning TV!!
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No he didn't. He played on a team with a bad-ass defense & one of the better kickers the league has ever seen.

Tom Brady wasn't a very good QB for at least his first 4 or 5 years. Maybe there was a chip on his shoulder that made him get better over the years....... he's definitely better.

Those early years, there was Brady vs Manning talk & I thought it was the silliest TV generated crap I had ever heard. Wasn't even close. But in the last 5 or 6 years, Brady has put himself into that conversation & I can now see some people grading him higher than the best there ever was.
I believe he won the Super Bowl in his 2nd season - 2001. And his 4th - 2003.
That looks like a pretty dang good QB to me. Took Peyton a whole lot longer to win 1, much less 3 that Brady has.
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No he didn't. He played on a team with a bad-ass defense & one of the better kickers the league has ever seen.

Tom Brady wasn't a very good QB for at least his first 4 or 5 years. Maybe there was a chip on his shoulder that made him get better over the years....... he's definitely better.

Those early years, there was Brady vs Manning talk & I thought it was the silliest TV generated crap I had ever heard. Wasn't even close. But in the last 5 or 6 years, Brady has put himself into that conversation & I can now see some people grading him higher than the best there ever was.
I think you stepped out there and didn't know the history of Tom Brady as well as you thought you did.

Your entire premise is way off.
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Draft ANALYSIS

Positives... Touch passer with the ability to read and diagnose defensive coverages...Confident leader who knows how to take command in the huddle...Very tough and mobile moving around in the pocket...Has a quick setup and is very effective throwing on the move...Throws across his body with great consistency...Hits receivers in stride and improvises his throws in order to make a completion...Puts good zip behind the short and mid-range passes...Shows good judgement and keen field vision...Has a take-charge attitude and is very cool under pressure...Hits receivers in motion with impressive velocity...Has superb pocket presence and uses all of his offensive weapons in order to move the chains...Has solid body mechanics and quickness moving away from center... Elusive scrambler with the body control to avoid the rush.link











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