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Old 04-30-2012   #241
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Given what I have read about his pro day, I don't think he would have lasted until the Texans next pick.

Heck AJ Jenkins went in Round 1.
Quick went as the top pick in Round 2.

Then guys that a lot of us had on our lists went waaay later than we thought...

Nick Toon - Late 4th
Marvin Jones - Late 5th
Juron Criner - Late 5th
Tommy Streeter - Late 5th
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Given what I have read about his pro day, I don't think he would have lasted until the Texans next pick.

Heck AJ Jenkins went in Round 1.
Quick went as the top pick in Round 2.

Then guys that a lot of us had on our lists went waaay later than we thought...

Nick Toon - Late 4th
Marvin Jones - Late 5th
Juron Criner - Late 5th
Tommy Streeter - Late 5th
Marvin McNutt - Late 6th
And this is what I've been saying. A lot of these guys that we would have been pleased to get in the 2nd or 3rd because that's where we'd seen them mocked, were not ranked that highly by ANY of the teams. That means there's probably something on these guys that we, the public, didn't know or take into account.

Last night, I threw together some numbers and the Pundits (talking Walterfootball, CBS Draft, etc.) usually have most of the guys who are going to be drafted but in a different order than they're drafted. The PRODUCTION of the guys that are drafted generally line up with the way they're drafted. In other words, normally the higher the pick, the more they produce although there are a few outliers. (Like Sanzenbacher last year who went undrafted and had a little production, the pundits had him being drafted late but he wasn't drafted at all.) And that means that the way the teams rank these guys is probably closer to "reality" than the way the pundits rank them. (Although, it might just mean that earlier picks are given more opportunities because of their draft status.)

It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out this year.
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Given what I have read about his pro day, I don't think he would have lasted until the Texans next pick.

Heck AJ Jenkins went in Round 1.
Quick went as the top pick in Round 2.

Then guys that a lot of us had on our lists went waaay later than we thought...

Nick Toon - Late 4th
Marvin Jones - Late 5th
Juron Criner - Late 5th
Tommy Streeter - Late 5th
Marvin McNutt - Late 6th
I think AJ Jenkins was the biggest surprise.


THe rest of those guys went about where they were slotted according to the rankings that I saw...
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Great stuff. 76T!

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At least I dont feel like Im on an island defending this pick anymore ..... Me and 76 will take our lumps and laugh when the pindits eat crow.


I sure didnt get much credit for nailing the pick - Posey in the 3rd.
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At least I dont feel like Im on an island defending this pick anymore ..... Me and 76 will take our lumps and laugh when the pindits eat crow.


I sure didnt get much credit for nailing the pick - Posey in the 3rd.
For someone who says we shouldn't over value "our guy" you sure boast a lot about nailing the Posey pick. LOL.

And from where I stand, you guys are not in the minority here on this issue. It's easily 85% pro and 15% con on the Posey pick. To say you guys have been on an island defending the pick is not accurate.
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And this is what I've been saying. A lot of these guys that we would have been pleased to get in the 2nd or 3rd because that's where we'd seen them mocked, were not ranked that highly by ANY of the teams. That means there's probably something on these guys that we, the public, didn't know or take into account.
Or...maybe the Posey pick by Houston started the run on WRs?????

Happens all the time. Teams are drafting for need and WRs are deep and plentiful, so teams naturally held off as long as they could before starting the run on WRs.

Not saying it's true, but saying it's really, really plausible.
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For someone who says we shouldn't over value "our guy" you sure boast a lot about nailing the Posey pick. LOL.

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I never said Posey was "Our Guy" .... but it has been pointed out that his measurables were better than those of Randall .... who many wanted to take in the first round.


As for my statement of not getting much credit for calling the pick .... There was only one other person mock or otherwise who nailed a pick .... and that was Yaky calling the 6th round pick of Mondek.


As for the general concensus , I feel like most dont like the pick .... especially those who actively participate in the draft forums. Infact , not a single one of them mentioned Posey .... when I mentioned him , it was met with opposition.

Rmartin , Badboy , You and SteelBlue all disapprove .....


But hey , I nailed the Ben Tate pick year before last too .... while the vast majority were calling for Gerhart ..... who's laughing now ?! .....Best 1-2 RB combo in the entire NFL.


I must admit , I have an advantage ....


Its not so difficult to call a #1 .... but a 3 ? Thats impressive and a #6 is downright clairvoyant.


Props Yaky ....
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As for the general concensus , I feel like most dont like the pick .... especially those who actively participate in the draft forums. Infact , not a single one of them mentioned Posey .... when I mentioned him , it was met with opposition.

Rmartin , Badboy , You and SteelBlue all disapprove .....


But hey , I nailed the Ben Tate pick year before last too .... while the vast majority were calling for Gerhart ..... who's laughing now ?! .....Best 1-2 RB combo in the entire NFL.


I must admit , I have an advantage ....


Its not so difficult to call a #1 .... but a 3 ? Thats impressive and a #6 is downright clairvoyant.


Props Yaky ....

I still think Gerhart would have as much, if not more, success behind our line as Tate has. And that is nothing against Tate. I think a large, large part of our RBs success is the system we have installed. It is very reminiscent of the 90s Broncos were it was very much a plug and chug type of deal.

As for calling the pick- congrats! I know how hard it is, especially later in the draft. Yaky gets mad props too. But I had a stretch of 3 years where my last published mock of the year had one player the Texans drafted in the round I had him predicted- Barwin, Holliday, Watt. By the way, could you link me to your mock? I would be interested in reading who else you had. I dont remember reading it, but there were so many mocks coming out before the draft that it could have gotten lost in the shuffle.

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I never said Posey was "Our Guy" .... but it has been pointed out that his measurables were better than those of Randall .... who many wanted to take in the first round.


As for my statement of not getting much credit for calling the pick .... There was only one other person mock or otherwise who nailed a pick .... and that was Yaky calling the 6th round pick of Mondek.


As for the general concensus , I feel like most dont like the pick .... especially those who actively participate in the draft forums. Infact , not a single one of them mentioned Posey .... when I mentioned him , it was met with opposition.

Rmartin , Badboy , You and SteelBlue all disapprove .....


But hey , I nailed the Ben Tate pick year before last too .... while the vast majority were calling for Gerhart ..... who's laughing now ?! .....Best 1-2 RB combo in the entire NFL.


I must admit , I have an advantage ....


Its not so difficult to call a #1 .... but a 3 ? Thats impressive and a #6 is downright clairvoyant.


Props Yaky ....
I called Chris Johnson as a first rounder when mockers here said no way he goes in the first (they said 2nd round at best). Sun shines on a dog's ass every now and then. No big deal.

Anybody starts nailing multiple picks in consecutive drafts and THEN I'll be impressed. Until then, we're all the same dudes doing the same things.

I have a problem with the Posey pick for multiple reasons, not JUST that he wasn't my guy at that spot. I have stated those multiple reasons and stood by them steadfastly. It is what it is, and the major upside is that we got Jared Crick as added padding for "if" Posey flops.

Missing 10 full games last year is the major gripe I have. It's offset by his prior production in what has been described as not a WR-friendly offense at OSU. But still, the suspension for multiple rules violations...missing 10 games because of it...and inconsistencies in scouting reports is the three-legged stool I'm sitting upon.

Overall, I can swallow my pride and watch him this summer knowing full well that he could be better than what I think he is. I welcome it because it means the Texans will be better as a result of it. Right now, I just have doubts.
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I still think Gerhart would have as much, if not more, success behind our line as Tate has. And that is nothing against Tate. I think a large, large part of our RBs success is the system we have installed. It is very reminiscent of the 90s Broncos were it was very much a plug and chug type of deal.

As for calling the pick- congrats! I know how hard it is, especially later in the draft. Yaky gets mad props too. But I had a stretch of 3 years where my last published mock of the year had one player the Texans drafted in the round I had him predicted- Barwin, Holliday, Watt. By the way, could you link me to your mock? I would be interested in reading who else you had. I dont remember reading it, but there were so many mocks coming out before the draft that it could have gotten lost in the shuffle.

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You and I went back and forth on Tate / Gerhart .... that entire draft season. But I"ll agree that had we chosen Gerhart , the results would likely be the same , was just pointing out that I called "That pick in that position in the draft."

You and I have had multiple years of predicting Texans picks in specific rounds .... track records not many can compete with .... I cant think of more than a handful of us here (even when this was the "official forum") who have ever called a particular pick in a particular round - First round included. (Kiaser Toro and Morknolle were the only two that nailed the MW pick - and that was #1 overall , shows how difficult it is).

My last post wasnt really directed at anyone but GP .... who has never called a Texans pick for insinuating no credit was due for calling my shot on Posey. The sun sets on a dogs ass .... bla bla bla.

When it comes to draft boards and Mock's in particular .... there are probably 5-6 guy's threads I read .... the rest get ignored (Yaky , you just got added to the read list).You know I read you , BL and Steve's mocks as I almost always comment in them .... Respect is earned , you three in particular have earned it over multiple years with your relentless efforts.


GP ..... call your shot.
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But still, the suspension for multiple rules violations...missing 10 games because of it...and inconsistencies in scouting reports is the three-legged stool I'm sitting upon.
I'm normally a glass half empty guy but I see him missing 10 games in his senior year as a possible PLUS...because we may very well have gotten a guy in the third round that may have been rated right below the top 2-3 receivers in the draft otherwise.

Besides from what I read in one article his second suspension was due to 'overpayments' that came to abour $720 and accepting a free round of golf. So hardly an axe murderer.
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Dont remember where i read it but out of HS he was the number 3 guy behind Julio Jones and AJ Green .


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For someone who says we shouldn't over value "our guy" you sure boast a lot about nailing the Posey pick. LOL.

And from where I stand, you guys are not in the minority here on this issue. It's easily 85% pro and 15% con on the Posey pick. To say you guys have been on an island defending the pick is not accurate.
GP, in all honesty are you talking today or when the pick was made? From where I was sitting all I can recall is weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth when the pick was announced. I'm pretty sure IRC. And it's still going on to some extent.
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I didn't expect Posey to go that high, but also that I like the pick based on watching him play.

I said it Friday minutes after it happened that I LOVE his vertical game (twitter). When I saw us take him that's the first thing I thought of: His skills on deep balls and sure handedness in the clutch.

Hopefully, my positivity is justified. I think it will be.
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I agree, that was something i picked up on and really liked about him... He bailed the QB out a few times in the highlights i saw... By both leaving a route to get open and by adjusting as the ball was thrown..

IMO, Randall was overrated in the draft and Posey underrated... They're about the same, and i'd be cool with either... but from the little i've seen of Posey, and seeing Randall quite a bit, i'm happier with the Texans getting Posey and the additional pick...

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Missing 10 full games last year is the major gripe I have. It's offset by his prior production in what has been described as not a WR-friendly offense at OSU. But still, the suspension for multiple rules violations...missing 10 games because of it...and inconsistencies in scouting reports is the three-legged stool I'm sitting upon.

Overall, I can swallow my pride and watch him this summer knowing full well that he could be better than what I think he is. I welcome it because it means the Texans will be better as a result of it. Right now, I just have doubts.
Respect.

None of us will know anything until the end of the summer. I expect him to look as lost as most rooks ... for most of the year.
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I agree, that was something i picked up on and really liked about him... He bailed the QB out a few times in the highlights i saw... By both leaving a route to get open and by adjusting as the ball was thrown..

IMO, Randall was overrated in the draft and Posey underrated... They're about the same, and i'd be cool with either... but from the little i've seen of Posey, and seeing Randall quite a bit, i'm happier with the Texans getting Posey and the additional pick...

We shall see...
Who did the extra pick turn out to be? Crick right? Smithiak working the draft.
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Dennison on Texans third rounders (5:19)
Texans offensive coordinator Rick Dennison shared his thoughts on the team's third round selections, in guard Brandon Brooks and receiver DeVier Posey.
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As for calling the pick- congrats! I know how hard it is, especially later in the draft. Yaky gets mad props too. But I had a stretch of 3 years where my last published mock of the year had one player the Texans drafted in the round I had him predicted- Barwin, Holliday, Watt. By the way, could you link me to your mock? I would be interested in reading who else you had. I dont remember reading it, but there were so many mocks coming out before the draft that it could have gotten lost in the shuffle.

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I don't do mock like you guys because I never feel comfortable not watching enough game tapes. I know you guys are more comprehensive.

I normally just look at a few positions that the Texans need and learn about the prospects at that position.

2010 was my best as I rated CB as the number one need.
Then I listed 3 guys in order of preference: Jackson, McCourty, and Robinson.
Some of you guys had Kyle Wilson at the top.

Then even though I was among the very few who made the call on Arian Foster (I think he should have at least a third round grade) and also Slaton (I rated him in the third where he was picked); I also wanted Tate - and of course Tate was a solid 2nd rounder (in my slot).
I'm really proud of this pick because it completed a trifecta.
I don't think anybody on earth can call a trifecta at the same position like this; maybe there's another alien like me? LOL!

I also wanted Mitchell; I conservatively rated him a 4th rounder, but I knew he can be drafted in the third as an inside D-lineman that can penetrate.

So I got 3 guys I wanted pretty much in the slot I rated them.
Almost another trifecta on top of a trifecta.

How lucky was that?
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I don't do mock like you guys because I never feel comfortable not watching enough game tapes. I know you guys are more comprehensive.

I normally just look at a few positions that the Texans need and learn about the prospects at that position.

2010 was my best as I rated CB as the number one need.
Then I listed 3 guys in order of preference: Jackson, McCourty, and Robinson.
Some of you guys had Kyle Wilson at the top.

Then even though I was among the very few who made the call on Arian Foster (I think he should have at least a third round grade) and also Slaton (I rated him in the third where he was picked); I also wanted Tate - and of course Tate was a solid 2nd rounder (in my slot).
I'm really proud of this pick because it completed a trifecta.
I don't think anybody on earth can call a trifecta at the same position like this; maybe there's another alien like me? LOL!

I also wanted Mitchell; I conservatively rated him a 4th rounder, but I knew he can be drafted in the third as an inside D-lineman that can penetrate.

So I got 3 guys I wanted pretty much in the slot I rated them.
Almost another trifecta on top of a trifecta.

How lucky was that?
Man, you crushed that draft.
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