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Old 04-27-2012   #1
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Default Cowboy's first round pick Claiborne and his 4 on the wonderlic

Pretty funny. If I wasn't convinced he wasn't intelligent from his low score, his new answer of purposefully doing badly makes me even more convinced he's not intelligent.

Seriously, they are asking you to answer some questions over a 12 minute period. This may or may not affect how many millions of dollars you get in less than a few months. And you blow it off? Yup, genius...

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/...rlic-test-says


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IRVING, Texas -- Dallas Cowboys first-round draft pick Morris Claiborne said he pretty much blew off the Wonderlic test at the NFL scouting combine, resulting in what has been reported as a single-digit score.

The former LSU defensive back, selected sixth overall Thursday night, told reporters that he didn't take the test seriously.

"I mean, I looked on the test and wasn't nothing on the test that came with football, so I pretty much blew the test off," Claiborne said.

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Claiborne reportedly had a score of 4, the lowest reported score in a dozen years. The average score for NFL prospects is 21.

Claiborne said he knew the test score would not affect his draft stock, but he admitted that he was bothered by some of the public mocking he endured after the score was reported.

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Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones said Claiborne's low Wonderlic score was "not an issue at all." He praised the cornerback's football instincts and ability to take coaching.

"We talk about the test scores, but we also talk about, 'What is his football IQ?' " coach Jason Garrett said. "He has instincts, he has vision, he has the ability to make plays at his position at an elite level."
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Doesn't matter. He's a pro football player now.

Dallas looking to trade 2008 1st round pick CB Mike Jenkins now...
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I don't get why some people continue to place an emphasis at all on wondelic scores.

If Mercilus scored an 8, but has a double digit sack rookie campaign would you care?
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I still can't believe the Rams made that trade.

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Dallas Cowboys: Acquire pick No. 6 in 2012

St. Louis Rams: Acquire picks No. 14 and No. 45 in 2012
When trading up to the top 10, I would expect more picks. Get at least an extra late rounder. Great deal of the Cowboys though.
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Doesn't matter. He's a pro football player now.

Dallas looking to trade 2008 1st round pick CB Mike Jenkins now...
I'd give a sixth for Jenkins at this point.
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Doesn't matter. He's a pro football player now.

Dallas looking to trade 2008 1st round pick CB Mike Jenkins now...
According to Sportrac, he would only cost a new team 1.05 million in base salary this year. That is certainly affordable, but he will be a free agent in 2013, which makes him a 1 year rental. Anyone think Wade wants him?

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/mike-jenkins/
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I don't get why some people continue to place an emphasis at all on wondelic scores.

If Mercilus scored an 8, but has a double digit sack rookie campaign would you care?
Of course I wouldn't care. But thats not a useful question. Would you care if someone ran a 5.5 40 but had 1500 yards and 15 TDs as a rookie? Of course not.

The point is, all predraft measurements (physical, emotional, intellectual) are intended to help NFL teams predict the successfulness of their future picks. What they do once they are in the NFL trumps all predraft measurements, as again, those are only intended to help predict.

Have you seen NFL playbooks? They are usually immense and the wonderlic is a 12 minute way for teams to find out how smart someone is and how analytical their mind is

It seems like there is not a statistically significant correlation between wonderlic and player performance, but at the same time, I don't imagine that the people scoring in single digits have a very strong case (VY for example)
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So if he doesnt agree with something he just blows it off? Good to know.
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I still can't believe the Rams made that trade.



When trading up to the top 10, I would expect more picks. Get at least an extra late rounder. Great deal of the Cowboys though.
Rams still get a stout defender in the middle since they didn't trade back too far and pick up another pick that is in a round where they should expect a starter with that roster. I liked it for them since they have a ton of needs.

On the thread...the wonder lick is overrated in evaluating corners. Ask Deion.
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I don't get why some people continue to place an emphasis at all on wondelic scores.

If Mercilus scored an 8, but has a double digit sack rookie campaign would you care?
If Mercilus ran a 5.0 40 yard dash, would you care? If he has a double digit sack rookie campaign, no.

But it's a stat you evaluate beforehand to try to get a handle on if this guy has what it takes to be successful.

You don't need to be a genius to play football. But if you have a really low score it might indicate a future problem when you try to learn the playbook or a you might have a problem understanding coaching.

So the wonderlic is just like anything else they measure at the Combine; it's just another data point to consider beforehand to try to determine how good or bad a player someone's going to be.
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I think what gtexan was getting at is not his actual score but his approach to the test. That says more about his personality, character or work ethic than anything. He's a great player and will probably be good. But he's asked to perform a certain exercise that every single player in the nfl has been asked to do and he blows it off. JJ Watt, Demeco Ryans and Andre Johnson wouldn't think they were "too good" for it or that it shouldn't apply to them.

What this shows me is his poor attitude and he may not be the best "team player". Could hint at issues in the future of him not giving full effort.

I also don't like it when fans downgrade certain events or tests that these prospects take. Individually they may mean little but when looking at the totality of all their "scores" it paints a much better picture.
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I think what gtexan was getting at is not his actual score but his approach to the test. That says more about his personality, character or work ethic than anything. He's a great player and will probably be good. But he's asked to perform a certain exercise that every single player in the nfl has been asked to do and he blows it off. JJ Watt, Demeco Ryans and Andre Johnson wouldn't think they were "too good" for it or that it shouldn't apply to them.

What this shows me is his poor attitude and he may not be the best "team player". Could hint at issues in the future of him not giving full effort.

I also don't like it when fans downgrade certain events or tests that these prospects take. Individually they may mean little but when looking at the totality of all their "scores" it paints a much better picture.
Exactly. The low Wonderlic is a red flag. The red flag raised in this case is his attitude.

Could be a situation where the coaches ask this guy to do something and he blows them off because he doesn't see the point. Could be a situation where he's the type that disregards the "details" and so he's in the wrong spots at times because he doesn't take the time to get everything right.
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here's what Seth Payne had to say about this.
Are semi-aquatic sub-Saharan mammals allowed to play NFL?

A score of 4 is stoooopid, but at the same time, you have to hope that his on-field ability helps him to overcome it, you'd also have to say that whilst his comments on the matter seem to show laziness, he doesn't come across as particularly intellectually challenged, and the scouts will have had chance to get more of a feeling about that in interviews.
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Seriously, they are asking you to answer some questions over a 12 minute period. This may or may not affect how many millions of dollars you get in less than a few months. And you blow it off? Yup, genius...
Yeah, except for one thing:

He was drafted #6 overall. If he made a 21 on the Wonderlic, do you think he would have been drafted #1 overall? And what is the monetary difference between #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6? Because the initial contract is the only time the Wonderlic could really affect him, and it didn't. His future wealth depends on his production, not his Wonderlic.

I can see an argument that his flippant attitude would be cause for concern in the Cowboys organization, but that didn't stop them from drafting him #6 and thus ensuring him millions of dollars.
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Yeah, except for one thing:

He was drafted #6 overall. If he made a 21 on the Wonderlic, do you think he would have been drafted #1 overall? And what is the monetary difference between #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6? Because the initial contract is the only time the Wonderlic could really affect him, and it didn't. His future wealth depends on his production, not his Wonderlic.

I can see an argument that his flippant attitude would be cause for concern in the Cowboys organization, but that didn't stop them from drafting him #6 and thus ensuring him millions of dollars.
He didn't know he was going to go #6 overall when he was at the test though. In 2010 AJ Green went #4 overall and Julio Jones went two spots later at #6. The difference between #4 and #6 was 19.7million guaranteed and 16.1 million guaranteed. 2 spots equated to 3.6 million over 4 years. Thats almost a million dollars a year. Thats a lot of money.

I'm not saying if he had scored a 25 that he would have been drafted at #4 overall, but what I'm saying is that when he took it, he had no idea that the Cowboys wanted him badly enough to ignore his horrible test. 12 minutes of effort for a million a year and he has such a bad attitude that he ignores it? He got lucky that Dallas needed a corner and Jerry takes headcases is the real moral of this story
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I still can't believe the Bucs traded down 2 slots for a 4th round pick and missed this guy. They better hope that Alabama safety they drafted turns out to be another Ronnie Lott or John Lynch.
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I know Jason Garrett has to put positive spin on this topic, it's his job to BS us, but how can he possibly think that a rookie player who only does what he wants to, only what he thinks is important, is coachable.
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