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Old 04-27-2012   #41
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Just curious, how do you know these are great talent evaluators and not taking consensus from their coaches and scouting departments. They all do have extensive scouting departments right?
C'mon, everyone knows that every other HC/GM/Owner in the NFL does everything better than Kubiak/Smith/McNair.

The Saints are a classic example. Peyton/Loomis/Benson has had two winning seasons in the last 5 years and one playoff win outside of their Super Bowl year. Oh wait...
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But the dynamic now is Wade letting Rick know what he wants on defense. Not Rick telling Wade what he needs. Rick still has to make it happen on draft day(s).
I don't know how you get that.

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Kubiak said that previous coordinators cut their list of potential defensive draft picks to roughly 50-60 prospects. Phillips got the list to 15-20, and the Texans drafted five of them.


“It was locked in before we went to draft day,” Kubiak said. “He knew exactly what he wanted.”
As been stated before, Rick's scouting staff has a list of players they scouted & believe fit Wade's system. Rick gives the list to Wade, Wade whittles it down.

Then Rick manages the draft.

Picking five out of 15 names, Rick could have scratched 10 of those names off the list before the draft started, we don't know that.

& I don't think we ever had a situation where Rick told anybody what they needed. This is the most group think organization I've ever seen in my life, they all get together & agree on whatever their sphere of influence allows.

But the article you quoted does not prove Wade has any more influence over the draft than Frank Bush or Richard Smith had other than he whittled his list down a little farther.
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Far as overstating Wade's competence? Ummm dead last in the league prior to arrival... Fininhed second overall after first year.

I want some of what you're smoking.
In 2010, the Denver Broncos were dead last in the league, followed by the Redskins, then us, then the Cardinals, then the Jags, then the Seattle Seahawks.

In 2011, the Texans, Jags, & the Seahawks finished in the top 10.

In 2010, we were dead last in passing defense, followed by Skins, Pats, Titans, Jags, & Seahawks.

In 2011, The Texans & the Jags are in the top 10, the Seahawks were 11th. Titans were 14th.

Just saying, I think Wade had some help. The same help that helped the Jags & Seahawks defense to improve as much as ours. Had their offenses been as good as ours, the numbers would most likely be closer.

In 2010, no doubt our defense looked lost. 2009, that wasn't the case. The 2009 Texans looked an aweful lot like the 2011 Texans, only we played much better offenses.
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I don't know how you get that.



As been stated before, Rick's scouting staff has a list of players they scouted & believe fit Wade's system. Rick gives the list to Wade, Wade whittles it down.

Then Rick manages the draft.

Picking five out of 15 names, Rick could have scratched 10 of those names off the list before the draft started, we don't know that.

& I don't think we ever had a situation where Rick told anybody what they needed. This is the most group think organization I've ever seen in my life, they all get together & agree on whatever their sphere of influence allows.

But the article you quoted does not prove Wade has any more influence over the draft than Frank Bush or Richard Smith had other than he whittled his list down a little farther.
You and others said this before - with links to pressers to back it up - and so have I. But some folks' dislike (there's no other word for it) for Smithiak won't let them accept it.

The Scouting Staff makes the player evaluations.
The coordinators/coaches determine what players attributes/characteristics best fit their scheme.
Smith gets with both to put together to rank players and establish the big board. It's also his job to make sure the Texans end up with who the coordinators/coaches want while making a deal or two, when possible, to get extra picks.

This is definitely drafting by committee. And recently, in the early rounds anyway, it's worked more times than it hasn't.
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Just curious, how do you know these are great talent evaluators and not taking consensus from their coaches and scouting departments. They all do have extensive scouting departments right?
JB, good to hear from you, it figures it would take a crazy post like that to get a response. PM me and tell me how it has been going.

Response to your post, I dont know, but I do know BB makes the calls for the Pats. Thompson/Colbert would've been fired after 5yrs of failure. Those teams dont have the same mind set as the Texans. They fired Mike Sherman even though he had a high winning % at the time he was fired, same for the Steelers.

The Texans, not so much.
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