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Old 04-16-2012   #21
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"in the event of further injury to Schaub"

Is this almost certain :P
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Like others have noted, Schaub's speed as he runs the bootleg isn't really that important to its effectiveness.

But it would be nice to have a QB who could give the defense another thing to worry about, even if it's a slight worry for the QB taking off for 3-4 yards.

3rd and 15, 40 seconds left to go in the season game against the Bengals, and the play breaks down, so Yates scrambles for the first down. Some may argue that if Schaub was playing, we might not be in a 3rd and 15 scenario, and that's fair.

But regardless, it'd be another weapon that'd be nice.
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Here's a link to the post where CloakNNNdagger explained the hardware and timeframe for removal.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...isfranc&page=4

Re-reading it doesn't make me feel any better.
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The link you posted leads to the thread, but not to the post you referred to.

So here's the direct link to my post, if anyone is interested in reviewing it. The facts and my impressions remain unchanged.
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I've been extremely skeptical of the FO's noise regarding how definite Schaub's recovery is for week 1 next season.

The guy has been walking round with his leg held together with more rebar than your average skyscraper and yet all we've heard out of the FO has been tales of him wanting to play golf and being right on track etc.

I'm no medical expert, but I find it hard to believe that they could be sure how he's going to cope and recover before this point, nows when he begins the real healing. The dude has got a different geometry now, its like changing the suspension setup on your car, he's going to have to relearn the finer points of his balance etc to be able to throw the ball accurately.
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Give that man a ceegar!!

Not to mention the concern here is less the injury itself causing long-term problems, but instead the inability to get in shape, resulting in nagging injuries like pulls and strains during the season.

I fully expect a QB to be taken in the draft. That might disappoint some, but if some are surprised, they aren't paying any attention.
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More like Schaub had his personality removed
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I still don't believe that Schaub will be 100% when he comes back from this, and I also don't believe he'll be starting game one of the regular season. I have a distinct feeling we'd all better get used to Yates.
This.

Although I think he'll be close to 100% by mid-season as long as he's not rushed back into action too soon.

I'm hoping that Yates will be much better after getting the TC reps under his belt. I expect him to be. A couple of days ago, I went back and re-watched the Falcons game. The kid's got a chance to be special. I'd just prefer to have him backing up Schaub for a year or two before he really had to be put to the test. I expect him to be our game 1 starter and start at least 3-4 games.
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Hey ArlingtonTexan, I'm just curious . . . did you mispell Schaub's name accidentally, or was that by design as a form of protest?
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"Moving forward" .. "Just moving on" ... "Not sure about when 100%" ... blah, blah, blah.

Matt Schaub never takes another snap for the Texans ... my prediction.

Damaged goods. Injury prone player who was just average to begin with (had some great moments but overall career average), and may never play for any team again. Just had the hardware removed and it isn't until some time after that if they can tell the operation was truly successful. Even then if it is deemed a "success", it doesn't mean he plays football like a pro player ever again, it basically just means the dude can walk and has normal ability.

The Texans (Matt, Gary, Rick) have been trying to spin this all off season ... makes me think something is coming in the draft that will surprise us.
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Hey ArlingtonTexan, I'm just curious . . . did you mispell Schaub's name accidentally, or was that by design as a form of protest?
No just a poor typist.
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Don't understand you guys. I know the doc has a lot of info but when the team says that he will be ready I believe that he will be ready.
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This.

Although I think he'll be close to 100% by mid-season as long as he's not rushed back into action too soon.

I'm hoping that Yates will be much better after getting the TC reps under his belt. I expect him to be. A couple of days ago, I went back and re-watched the Falcons game. The kid's got a chance to be special. I'd just prefer to have him backing up Schaub for a year or two before he really had to be put to the test. I expect him to be our game 1 starter and start at least 3-4 games.
I agree.

Texans would be foolish to rush him back onto the field. Even the idea of him being at training camp and trying to do too much in camp is scary. It would be the Texans fault if they rushed him back and he re-injured it. The Texans are the final decision makers on when a player returns, and they have an obligation to the team and to the player to NOT rush him back onto the field too early.

TJ can hold down the fort for the first half of the season, let Schaub come in midway and see what he can do...this is fair to everyone, IMO: (1) Schaub needs a full year from the time of the injury, (2) TJ will have had a full camp and benefit of playing in high pressure games back in 2011, and (3) The halfway point of the 2012 season gives us the opportunity to see if Schaub can play QB for a full game or heck, even if it's just for 1 quarter of football.

I don't see why we can't have our cake and eat it too. Play TJ, when the midway point of the season gets here we activate Schaub and play him sparingly in perhaps one quarter of play or garbage time when we're blowing out the opponent in the 4th quarter...and 99% of those plays will be handoffs or safe pass plays out of the shotgun with max protection for Schaub. This gives the texans some film to study to make a decision on Schaub's contract.

Win-win, IMO.
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I agree.

Texans would be foolish to rush him back onto the field. Even the idea of him being at training camp and trying to do too much in camp is scary. It would be the Texans fault if they rushed him back and he re-injured it. The Texans are the final decision makers on when a player returns, and they have an obligation to the team and to the player to NOT rush him back onto the field too early.

TJ can hold down the fort for the first half of the season, let Schaub come in midway and see what he can do...this is fair to everyone, IMO: (1) Schaub needs a full year from the time of the injury, (2) TJ will have had a full camp and benefit of playing in high pressure games back in 2011, and (3) The halfway point of the 2012 season gives us the opportunity to see if Schaub can play QB for a full game or heck, even if it's just for 1 quarter of football.

I don't see why we can't have our cake and eat it too. Play TJ, when the midway point of the season gets here we activate Schaub and play him sparingly in perhaps one quarter of play or garbage time when we're blowing out the opponent in the 4th quarter...and 99% of those plays will be handoffs or safe pass plays out of the shotgun with max protection for Schaub. This gives the texans some film to study to make a decision on Schaub's contract.

Win-win, IMO.
The thing is (depending on our schedule such as when our toughest games are) we could be 3-5 or 2-6 and our season could already be lost. Even though I think Schaub is starting week 1 if he isn't I'm hoping our hard games are in the latter half of the season.
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Exactly. This isn't the option. It isn't him threatening to run. Schaub's bootlegs work because (Foster and the running game is good should be #1 but it was effective when we had an ineffective running game) (a) he has one of the best play fakes around and (b) because he is diligent and doesn't just stand there on actual running plays - he will often roll out after handing the ball off. Mutually built plays. Schaub rolling out on running plays disrupts the D as a yin yang to Foster acting like he has the ball when Schaub is boot legging.
Exactly. They are one of the best offenses in the league at disguising their plays in general. Manning and the Colts were the best not long ago, but the Texans are right there and Schaub is a big reason why. Sure hope he is at or near 100% by Sept.
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I would be absolutely ecstatic if Schaub comes back in form and leads us to the promised land. I hope it happens, but I just don’t see it.
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Don't understand you guys. I know the doc has a lot of info but when the team says that he will be ready I believe that he will be ready.
I see that you didn't join this place until November of last year. You're about to find out something regarding the team's honesty about injury disclosures.
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I see that you didn't join this place until November of last year. You're about to find out something regarding the team's honesty about injury disclosures.
Well if your implying that I became a fan in November that is wrong although I've only been a fan for 5 years
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Well if your implying that I became a fan in November that is wrong although I've only been a fan for 5 years
Wasn't implying that all about you being a fan. What I was implying was that had you been around here earlier, you would be a lot better informed.
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I agree.

Texans would be foolish to rush him back onto the field. Even the idea of him being at training camp and trying to do too much in camp is scary. It would be the Texans fault if they rushed him back and he re-injured it. The Texans are the final decision makers on when a player returns, and they have an obligation to the team and to the player to NOT rush him back onto the field too early.

TJ can hold down the fort for the first half of the season, let Schaub come in midway and see what he can do...this is fair to everyone, IMO: (1) Schaub needs a full year from the time of the injury, (2) TJ will have had a full camp and benefit of playing in high pressure games back in 2011, and (3) The halfway point of the 2012 season gives us the opportunity to see if Schaub can play QB for a full game or heck, even if it's just for 1 quarter of football.

I don't see why we can't have our cake and eat it too. Play TJ, when the midway point of the season gets here we activate Schaub and play him sparingly in perhaps one quarter of play or garbage time when we're blowing out the opponent in the 4th quarter...and 99% of those plays will be handoffs or safe pass plays out of the shotgun with max protection for Schaub. This gives the texans some film to study to make a decision on Schaub's contract.

Win-win, IMO.
If TJ starts the year and does well, then Matt (if he is medically cleared to play) would be trade bait mid-season before the deadline. You would not wait to see if he was going to be able to play and then not be able to get anything for him if TJ was the better option and doing well. You would let him get cleared, and then try to get something for a QB in the last year of his contract, so the other team could worry about if he was 100% or not.
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If TJ starts the year and does well, then Matt (if he is medically cleared to play) would be trade bait mid-season before the deadline. You would not wait to see if he was going to be able to play and then not be able to get anything for him if TJ was the better option and doing well. You would let him get cleared, and then try to get something for a QB in the last year of his contract, so the other team could worry about if he was 100% or not.
There is the 'little" problem of not having a legitimate back-up QB.
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