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Old 04-15-2012   #21
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If he can get and stay relatively healthy, he'll be on the field for a very long time. He's always going to be big, tough, and very hard working. Speed and health are the concerns, though.
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Lol, I didn't take offense, you give yourself too much credit if you think that. However, I did point out the logical fallacy of your complaint. Feel free to keep tossing out idiotic generalizations, I'll be happy to shoot them down.
Really? When are you going to start?
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Could be that the Texans think WR in the first round. I would hope that they start planning and stockpiling WRs for the day AJ is done, which could be sooner than we're ready for.

Everybody seems to think LB or OL will be the route to go in the 1st, but when was the last time we drafted a WR in the 1st? AJ? Granted, he was considered the prime WR in that draft...but still, you get the point.

But the big problem is this: There has to be a WR there at #26 worthy of the pick.
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Yes, that one forum poster is an excellent gauge of the entire country's laziness.
DR & others, the poster is 21 yrs old. He KNOWS EVERYTHING ALREADY. Perhaps we've got it all wrong in going into depth and detail to express our thoughts when it's obvious that all thoughts and expressions can be executed with two to four letters, tops.

After all, what could all of us old farts know? Uh-Oh, used WAY too many keystrokes here, sorry.
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I think he hit the apex of his career in 2010 and he's on the downside now and
the concern has got to be (a) how rapidly do his raw athletic talents decline from this point on and (b) how much playing time will he miss because of injuries ?
I think everyone is panicking just bc he had a bad run of injuries.. i think if he fully recovers this summer and off season he will be fine or have less problems next season. Fans also have to think that hes a work horse and a pretty physical receiver so i think that comes with his type of play. look at michael irving or TO at that age, had injuries missed some time but were still productive for a long time.. but that being said we still need a receiver if not rd 1 at least rd 2
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Default Re: Andre Johnson's longevity

He might lose some speed from that injury last year and them not re-attaching the tendon or whatever, but I cannot put a fork in his career by any means. He's had some misfortune with the injuries the past couple of years but I think he can still have 4 or 5 more productive years easily. He looked great in the playoffs and seemed to be back to his old self, too bad TJ just had to throw his way even when he wasn't open.


But yes we should draft a WR early. Andre has NEVER had a legit #2 receiver by his side, which makes what he's accomplished so far even more impressive. It would definitely make the transition easier and hopefully take some of the load off of Andre so his career can last even longer.
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DR & others, the poster is 21 yrs old. He KNOWS EVERYTHING ALREADY. Perhaps we've got it all wrong in going into depth and detail to express our thoughts when it's obvious that all thoughts and expressions can be executed with two to four letters, tops.

After all, what could all of us old farts know? Uh-Oh, used WAY too many keystrokes here, sorry.
Look, you can call his post whatever you want, but to expand it to 'everyone in his generation is lazy' is idiotic. Isn't the rule 'Attack the post, not the generation?'

Also, I never said anything against making long posts.
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actually you did take offense to what i said...which is the reason why you felt compelled to put your two sense in and respond in the first place.. And no, you didn't point out any "logical fallacy in my complaint" either.

I simply called one guy lazy for not spelling out what he meant to say and i'll easily call you lazy for doing as such.. Guess what, "puller of other man's meat", that will make you lazy as well. Keep pulling.
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I hope we can find our future Andre Johnson soon.....I dont know how many years he has left but we need to get somebody that can be his apprentice and learn from Master Johnson about the ways of the force......
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What was too long about that post? (which was filled with more than "draft a receiver") Has this country really become that lazy where they can't even read 5 simple paragraphs. Sad
There was nothing too long about the post as I read the entirety of it. Just making a joke... Take it easy before you making sweeping generalizations about 'my generation'.

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Aj, Foster, and Shaub are this team's window of opportunity. Collectively it should be 2-3 years. Unless we start adding marque offensive talent now we're going to hit a speed bump with their decline.

Think Hines Ward with AJ's career. He may be solid/productive for another 5-6 years, but at some point sooner he'll stop being explosive. When he stops dramatically effecting a defense /defensive game plan, he'll have lost value.

Who else on this roster is going 2 challenge a defense deep and force a safety to cheat? I dont see it.
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Look, you can call his post whatever you want, but to expand it to 'everyone in his generation is lazy' is idiotic. Isn't the rule 'Attack the post, not the generation?'

Also, I never said anything against making long posts.
So that's your hang up? You think I developed that opinion just off of one stupid post on the internet or believe that I actually think everyone in that generation is lazy. Only a moron would think that... or someone who just wants to be confrontational. Since the original post wasn't even directed at you, I'm going to guess you fall under the latter. I guess if I post on the same board as you, I now have to be politically correct with everything I say and type things like "the majority of that generation...but not everybody" huh.

Housportswriter's thread about his hard work and drive to overcome his limitations is a testament that not every one of our youth are morons, sadly though there are not enough like him coming up.

I could go into my **ssification of America rant or how I feel like the "everyone gets a trophy" mentality that we have developed in this country has robbed the generation coming up of the feeling of competition, and has developed a bunch of lazy individuals who feel entitled to success or other things that should be earned through actual hard work and initiative. However I won't do that here, because that belongs in another forum.

You see you don't develop a opinion that strong through one post on the internet... but I believe you already knew that, you just felt like showing your ass. Now if you don't mind, I would really like to get back to the topic of this thread.. it's a good discussion.
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You know, outside the all-important world of Sports, young people today are much less entitled and much more disciplined than any previous generation. School is much harder than it used to be. And admissions requirements at every college are much harder than they used to be. Not to mention the much greater difficulty to get into post-graduate work (i.e. PHD, Law, Medicine).

Floating through college for a liberal arts degree does not guarantee success anymore. Kids are going through school now with the understanding that if they don't bust their ass making good grades or networking, they will be jobless.
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LOL @ a thread title referring to Dre's weiner.
im not sure you really understand what longevity means...
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Folks let's get back on topic. If you want to discuss this v. that generation then take it to the No Spin Zone.
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Folks let's get back on topic. If you want to discuss this v. that generation then take it to the No Spin Zone.
Thank you. I had decided to back out of my own thread. We have 3 skill postions in which the starter is aging, QB, WR1 and starting TE. WR has virtually nothing behind the starter. I think TJ has shown enough to keep us in a game even if he might not be ready to take us to the playoffs again. We coasted in this year and might not have that luxury. Coby Fleener [u]might/U] be the guy who can eventually replace OD and also good enough to get some quality snaps at WR. It would be interesting to watch Kubiak game plan this. Especially if we can also draft a WR2 or even a productive slot.
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We have 3 skill postions in which the starter is aging, QB, WR1 and starting TE.
Yes, 30-31 is maybe aging for a receiver, but it's prime-time for a QB.
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Aj, Foster, and Shaub are this team's window of opportunity. Collectively it should be 2-3 years. Unless we start adding marque offensive talent now we're going to hit a speed bump with their decline.

Think Hines Ward with AJ's career. He may be solid/productive for another 5-6 years, but at some point sooner he'll stop being explosive. When he stops dramatically effecting a defense /defensive game plan, he'll have lost value.

Who else on this roster is going 2 challenge a defense deep and force a safety to cheat? I dont see it.
We should ALWAYS be looking to "reload". Every year.
This year (or the next at the latest) the head-shed should be on the lookout for both A.J.'s and Schaub's replacements. They should also be looking for someone to replace Antonio Smith and Brian Cushing. Who knows which guys will look to stay here or do a "Mario" and test the open market when they become free agents.
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Andre is getting pretty old, but might hold up longer than people think. He doesn't seem like a guy that's involved in tons of other ventures, so I think he'll focus hard on football.

We definitely need help at WR and a replacement, but only if we find what looks to be a steal in the first round there like when Dallas had Bryant late in the first.
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We should ALWAYS be looking to "reload". Every year

We should. Yet a cursory look of skill position players added by this team leaves a lot to be desired. Ben Tate 2nd round, Jacoby Jones 3. I'd even be willing to listen to the argument that Ahman Green was an attempt at getting a "big name" skill position player.

Shaub was more of a known commodity when we traded for him then a draft pick.
Kubiak inherited Andre Johnson.

Truth is, we dont take many chances early on skill position players. Kubiak's m.o. is to rely on scheme for offensive success.
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