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Old 05-15-2005   #41
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Default Buchannon's interception whore.

He was very good his first year but regressed badly the last 2.

All he needs is some discipline coaching. The problem is the Texans gave up 2 picks & probably could have gotten somebody as good as Buchannon in the draft with one of those picks.
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Old 05-15-2005   #42
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Yeah, the Raiders wanted Buchanon to leave, so they could bring in Moss. Let one bad attitude go for the second worst attitude in the NFL. I'm sure that the fine people of Oakland will be so glad to see Moss driving around town using police officers for hood ornaments, and ashing his blunt out the window like it's a cigarette.
The Raiders don't care about attitude if a guy produces.

Moss has produced every year of his career & Buchannon hasn't.

The last 2 years he's been a shade above terrible.

I think he can resurrect his career but I certainly wouldn't have given a 2nd & 3rd round pick for him.
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Phillip Buchanan or Stanford Routt/Kirk Morrison

I'll take Phillip Buchanan.
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Phillip Buchanan or Stanford Routt/Kirk Morrison

I'll take Phillip Buchanan.
that is until his gambling cost you first down's & TD's in a critical part of the game.
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Several of the Raider's fans have come here and let us know that PB hasn't played well. I got that. I think you would be hard pressed to find many people that don't think he has the physical tools to be a good to great CB. I think the difference is that the Raiders view him as a lost cause, and the Texans think they can fix the mental aspects of his game.

There is no doubt in my mind that he has been lit up like a Christmas tree over the past 2-3 years. I just don't expect that to be the norm for us. Call it confidence/arrogance or whatever, but I think PB will get the coaching he didn't in Oakland.
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Several of the Raider's fans have come here and let us know that PB hasn't played well. I got that. I think you would be hard pressed to find many people that don't think he has the physical tools to be a good to great CB. I think the difference is that the Raiders view him as a lost cause, and the Texans think they can fix the mental aspects of his game.

There is no doubt in my mind that he has been lit up like a Christmas tree over the past 2-3 years. I just don't expect that to be the norm for us. Call it confidence/arrogance or whatever, but I think PB will get the coaching he didn't in Oakland.
I hope that is the case and he has a lot to prove. But I am just wondering, didn't Woodson get the same coaching?
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I hope that is the case and he has a lot to prove. But I am just wondering, didn't Woodson get the same coaching?
The key difference is that Woodson got his early year training under a different set of coaches. PB had the misfortune of coming in with Callahan's staff then Turner's. I wouldn't confuse either of those guys with John Gruden and his staff. Also, Woodson is an elite (top 5) CB. The chances of PB elevating his production to that level are slim to none.
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I hope that is the case and he has a lot to prove. But I am just wondering, didn't Woodson get the same coaching?
That is not really a fair comparison as PB entered the league under turmoil, coaching changes, the Super Bowl hangover etc, while Woodson entered at the same time as Jon Gruden and was his top pick in 1998 (4th overall), the Heisman Trophy winner and he also was named Defensive Rookie of the Year in 1998 following his first NFL campaign.

So I guess the answer is "no" he did not receive the same coaching, especially not like the coaching and attention he will receive from the Texans Secondary Coach Hoke.

Looking at the Raiders, they obviously feel the need to replace PB and the aging Woodson after looking at their draft the past few years.

2005, 1. Fabian Washington, CB, Nebraska 2. Stanford Routt, CB, Houston
2003, 1A. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, California

I really don't know that much about PB other than he has all the physical tools necessary and Andre Johnson says he is a good cover guy. I hope he turns into a stud but we will have to wait and see.
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The chances of PB elevating his production to that level are slim to none.
his tackling technique can be improved upon as well as his conditioning, probably can't really change his style but you can get him to play in a system that compliments his talent & teammates. he has recovery speed superior to that of Woodson & his athletic ability is untapped. given the right situation (Texans) with a change in attitiude & commitment to winning, there is no reason why Phillip Buchanon cannot become just as dominant as any other CB in the league. I would not rule out top 5 status nor would I rule out the possibility the Texans have two of the top 5 CB's & THE VERY BEST DUO IN CB'S IN THE LEAGUE
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I guess it is possible, beerlover, but it is also in the realm of possibilities that PB will be on a lot of ESPN highlights...for the other team.
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i say PB does a lot of what DROB did last year, go against AJ a lot during the year, let PB get used to playing against high talented WRs, i think that had a lot to do with DRobs progression too. you go to practice and compete against such a great specimen of a WR in AJ, then go out on Sundays and play against receivers that dont have AJ's talent, and it makes it a lot easier for DRob. so i say with Hoke's coaching, and maybe some time going up against AJ, PB can get on the right track
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Several of the Raider's fans have come here and let us know that PB hasn't played well. I got that. I think you would be hard pressed to find many people that don't think he has the physical tools to be a good to great CB. I think the difference is that the Raiders view him as a lost cause, and the Texans think they can fix the mental aspects of his game.

There is no doubt in my mind that he has been lit up like a Christmas tree over the past 2-3 years. I just don't expect that to be the norm for us. Call it confidence/arrogance or whatever, but I think PB will get the coaching he didn't in Oakland.
However the problem in Oakland wasn't about technique. It was about breaking the scheme for picks. Tackling like it's 2 hand touch.

That's attitude not coaching & the Texans committed 2 picks to gamble on that.
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“I came here to do one thing, and that’s to help us win,” Buchanon said. “I am very confident in what I do. I just want to go out and help my team and score touchdowns and do whatever I can do, punt return, anything. So it doesn’t matter. As long as we get a ‘W’ I am fine with it.”
I'm sensing a new, refreshing attitude from Phil ever since he joined the Texans
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I'm sensing a new, refreshing attitude from Phil ever since he joined the Texans
I'm sensing a new PR strategy.

I hope he does good for you, but Buchannon is only talking until he backs it up on the field
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^^He was on Texans cam today on NFL Network and he was telling Rich Eisen and Rich Gannon that he has a fresh start here in Houston, and that Oakland was a learning curve for him, and he would like to put all of that stuff he did in Oakland behind him. He just want's to make plays and score touchdowns for his new team and I believe him, even though some people might not. I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt, because if he lives up to the Texans expectations, we will have one of the best young CB tandems in the NFL.
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after meeting, drinking, and hanging out with Buchanon, i have become a big fan and am now in his corner. He is a great guy and is bigger than woodson, maybe not taller, but bigger and that surpirsed me
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after meeting, drinking, and hanging out with Buchanon, i have become a big fan and am now in his corner. He is a great guy and is bigger than woodson, maybe not taller, but bigger and that surpirsed me

their bio's suggest something different.
# 31 Phillip Buchanon
Position: DB
Height: 5-10
Weight: 185
Born: 09/19/1980
College: Miami (Fla.)
NFL Experience: 4

24 Charles Woodson
Position: DB
Height: 6-1
Weight: 200
Born: 10/07/1976
College: Michigan
NFL Experience: 8

i guess the word bigger can be subjective. however woodson displaces more water. LOL!!!!!

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Buchanon seems to be enjoying himself here and I think the change of scenery will do him good...

Here's the footage of his appearance on NFL Total Access, if anybody is interested...
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