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Texans weren't going to use their #1 pick on ngata when they used their #1 pick on Travis johnson the year before

[NastyNate]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

In a heartbeat .... Ngata < MW.


BTW Toro on Parade , your sig doesnt meet the forum guidelines found here

I think you mean Ngata > Mario

[NastyNate]

Originally Posted by Toro On Parade

Career stats:

Ngata:
Solo Tackles:206 Sacks: 17.0

Mario Williams:
Solo Tackles:192 Sacks: 53

That's what

How do you compare a 3-4 NT versus a 4-3 DE based purely on sack/tackle numbers? That's extremely short sighted. Ngata all day.

[burro]

This article is a joke. The only person I remember being seriously miffed about the pick in '06 was Mattress Mack and his furniture sucks anyway.

Mario Williams was a damn fine player who was the victim of injuries and high expectations. I would wish him success in Buffalo, but for obvious reasons I already wish an eon of fail on the Bills; so I will only wish him good health and a long career. Happy trails.

[Playoffs]

NFL.com did a 2006 draft top 10 re-do a while back:

1. Houston Texans
Actual pick: Mario Williams
Do-over pick: Williams

Houston got it right with Williams, who is a physically imposing defensive end. He had a career-high 14 sacks in 2007 and followed that up with a 12-sack season, but hasn't registered a double-digit sack season since. The Texans never got the guy opposite him to take full advantage of Williams' skill set.

2. New Orleans Saints
Actual pick: Reggie Bush
Do-over pick: Maurice Jones-Drew

Jones-Drew came out of UCLA with a big chip on his shoulder, and the first time I interviewed him after the draft he proclaimed that he was better than Reggie Bush. The numbers don't lie at this point: Bush has 4,232 total yards and 29 touchdowns; MJD has 7,347 total yards and 61 touchdowns. Enough said.

3. Tennessee Titans
Actual pick: Vince Young
Do-over pick: Jay Cutler

Tennessee gave mixed messages after drafting Young. Owner Bud Adams wanted him, and it sounded like the coaches were in favor of Leinart. Remember, former USC offensive coordinator Norm Chow ran the Titans' offense at the time and had worked with Leinart in college. The club probably should have selected the local favorite from Vanderbilt, Jay Cutler.

4. New York Jets
Actual pick: D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Do-over pick: Ferguson

The Jets were training on Long Island when they drafted Ferguson, who grew up five miles from the facility. I've said it many times: A solid offensive tackle is a safe pick. The Jets protected him for a few years while he gained strength and improved his technique. He has started all 80 games that he has been with the Jets and has just nine holding calls against him.

5. Green Bay Packers
Actual pick: A.J. Hawk
Do-over pick: Vernon Davis

A.J. Hawk is a solid player, but whether it was Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers, Vernon Davis would be a weapon with Tony Gonzalez-like production at this point. Davis, even without the quarterback situation that exists in Green Bay, has done pretty well for himself in San Francisco, but who knows what his numbers could look like with Rodgers?

6. San Francisco 49ers
Actual pick: Vernon Davis
Do-over pick: Haloti Ngata

Obviously, Davis has been a solid pick for the 49ers, but it might have been wise to select Ngata, who has become one of the most dominating defensive linemen in the NFL. Ex-coach Mike Singletary might still be in San Francisco if he had built the defense around Ngata.

7. Oakland Raiders
Actual pick: Michael Huff
Do-over pick: Brandon Marshall

Huff has been an average safety at best and is probably done in Oakland. Marshall, meanwhile, already has three seasons of 100-plus receptions, all in the same division as the Raiders while with the Broncos. Owner Al Davis would have never traded Marshall, who would have reminded every Raiders fan of Tim Brown.

8. Buffalo Bills
Actual pick: Donte Whitner
Do-over pick: Greg Jennings

Whitner started out well as a rookie, but recently he looks like a guy no longer in the Bills' plans, especially with a new contract due soon. Jennings has become an elite wide receiver, and if he was teamed up with Lee Evans there would be no reason for talk of a new quarterback. Ryan Fitzpatrick would be up around 25 touchdowns per season.

9. Detroit Lions
Actual pick: Ernie Sims
Do-over pick: Nick Mangold

Sims is already gone from Detroit, while Mangold is going to be an All-Pro 10 times over. Mangold would make the run game better and anchor a pass-blocking unit that might do a better job of keeping Matthew Stafford upright -- and healthy.

10. Arizona Cardinals
Actual pick: Matt Leinart
Do-over pick: Tamba Hali

Leinart is the third-string quarterback in Houston right now, which is really all you need to know. The Cardinals are still looking for outside linebackers to rush the passer, and Hali has become a premiere rusher since the Chiefs went to a 3-4 scheme -- just like the Cardinals want to run.

[Brisco_County]

Originally Posted by Mr teX

The reaction the board had once he officially left says it all right there. Those wanting the guy back were definitely in the minority and in the end most were just "eh'" about him either way. Dude was always on the outside looking in houston....even if some fans weren't willing to admit it. So yeah, there's some level of truth to what the writer is saying, but it is overplayed a little.

After the national media hurled streams of baseless criticism at the Texans FO for not validating the media's own narrative of Reggie Bush as the next OJ Simpson, Texans fans naturally defaulted to the position of defending the Mario pick.

But six years later, it didn't seem there was a justifiable return for the premium being paid. That has a lot to do with injuries, but Zierlein identifies another important reason:

There are questions about how much Mario Williams loves football.*He has buddies who he rides (motorcycles) with who seem to believe that football is what he does for a living but it isn&rsquo;t what he loves.*That bothers me* I think it is important that your core players eat and sleep football and that they love it.*Mario has never really been that guy.

http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootbal...ario-williams/

Brian Cushing is the opposite of this. If Cushing's contract weren't extended, you'd see torches and pitchforks. But if your $80 million player lacks passion, it's no surprise when his exit is passionless.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by Brisco_County

After the national media hurled streams of baseless criticism at the Texans FO for not validating the media's own narrative of Reggie Bush as the next OJ Simpson, Texans fans naturally defaulted to the position of defending the Mario pick.

But six years later, it didn't seem there was a justifiable return for the premium being paid. That has a lot to do with injuries, but Zierlein identifies another important reason:



http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootbal...ario-williams/

Brian Cushing is the opposite of this. If Cushing's contract weren't extended, you'd see torches and pitchforks. But if your $80 million player lacks passion, it's no surprise when his exit is passionless.

Excellent post. Mario is & will always remain an enigma to Texan fan base.

[Texan_Bill]

Mario tweeted:
"Judgement Day November 4th!!"

I was a Mario guy and I wished him the best in Buffalo, but now it's on!! **** him!! The pansy probably won't even be on the field come November 4th.

[Mr teX]

Originally Posted by Brisco_County

After the national media hurled streams of baseless criticism at the Texans FO for not validating the media's own narrative of Reggie Bush as the next OJ Simpson, Texans fans naturally defaulted to the position of defending the Mario pick.

But six years later, it didn't seem there was a justifiable return for the premium being paid. That has a lot to do with injuries, but Zierlein identifies another important reason:



http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootbal...ario-williams/

Brian Cushing is the opposite of this. If Cushing's contract weren't extended, you'd see torches and pitchforks. But if your $80 million player lacks passion, it's no surprise when his exit is passionless.

But see comments like LZ's are why i always end up defending this guy when i don't really mean to. Just b/c the guy has hobbies that he enjoys outside of football doesn't mean that he doesn't love football. I sat & specifically watched mario play here for 6 years & there was no indication that the guy was just out there to go thru the motions and get paid. When he got sacks and made plays, he was just as fired up as all the other sack specialists around the league.

You can still be a great player in this league without being one of those guys who doesn't know what do with onesself during the offseason and after your playing career is over. Barry Sanders was not an overly fiery player & he never engaged in silly dances and antics every time he juked someone out of his jock strap....Yet nobody questioned his love of the game when he walked away in his prime with the all-time rushing record within his reach....even though he has stated time and again in subsequent interviews that his loss of love for it is the exact reason why he retired. The same for guys like Jim Brown who left football to pursue his acting career, and Namdi Asomugha and his ACTS foundation that he participates in heavily in the offseason.

If anything, the ability of these guys to have separate identities away from the game should be commended b/c more than anything it probably signifies that they don't carry themselves like the typical entitled "star"....**coughs** Brett Favre.

[Señor Stan]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

Mario tweeted:
"Judgement Day November 4th!!"

I was a Mario guy and I wished him the best in Buffalo, but now it's on!! **** him!! The pansy probably won't even be on the field come November 4th.

The only sack Mario Williams will see that day is after being pancaked by Duane Brown!

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by Señor Stan

The only sack Mario Williams will see that day is after being pancaked by Duane Brown!

HA!! Nice!

[GP]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

Mario tweeted:
"Judgement Day November 4th!!"

I was a Mario guy and I wished him the best in Buffalo, but now it's on!! **** him!! The pansy probably won't even be on the field come November 4th.

It's funny how a guy changes his tune once his paychecks stop from Company A and he starts receiving them from Company B, isn't it?

THAT, IMO, is the definitive proof that Mario doesn't care about football. He cares about Mario. It's the perfect example of what LZ was saying: Mario doesn't have a passion for football, it's just the job he has in order to pay the bills so he can do the other things he likes to do.

Guys who respect the game, they don't tweet nonsense like Mario did. They understand that you move on. Yes, you should be motivated to play well against your former team...but to make it some sort of apex or pinnacle of your career??? No. It shows that he is only loyal to the green. So he was never really one of us, he was just on Team Mario all along.

Bradie James comes in and says "I understand I will have a limited role. That's OK with me. I just want to give veteran leadership because I remember what it was like to be young and not have that from the veterans above me." Paraphrased, of course. Mario would be a guy, IMO, who at the end of the day doesn't care to pass on any sort of legacy to younger players, or to help them, etc. He's on Team Mario. Team Mario is all that matters.

I've been over this at length, in prior posts about this topic, but I say it again: If all things were equal--the money from Texans was the same as the offer from the Bills--would he have left Houston for Buffalo? No. Not on your life. But he got paid more, a lot more, and that's the reason he left. Not because he loves football and wants a ring with Houston (who picked him above two other guys). No, he wants the cash. And guys like that have a funny way of being absent when it's time for them to answer the bell on game day.

He had a problem getting motivated and fired up, to perform his absolute best, when he was with the Texans. Outside of playing us in November, what other ways will Mario use to motivate himself now that he's the richest guy in the NFL? He's maxed out, and he knows it. I expect him to have a lackluster season. But...after all, he's adjusting back to the 4-3 Defense ya' know. It will take some time for him to acclimate to the weather, too. Yada, yada, yada....

[drunkcookie]

I think if the Texans made the same offer as the Bills he still might habe split...

It was the perfect storm... The dude was drug through the coals by a very vocal minority... I don't think he really felt appreciated in Houston from day one... then he had to stand on the sidelines for 11 games and watch the D succeed without him, becoming one of the best Ds without him...

So he had to hear the fans not appreciating him (though a minority), then actually see the defense not need him...

In the end, it was a no-brainer he'd go IMO...

With that said, he needs a good helping of stfu come November... I was wishing the guy well, but he's beeing a whiney little beotch...

[Brisco_County]

Originally Posted by Mr teX

If anything, the ability of these guys to have separate identities away from the game should be commended b/c more than anything it probably signifies that they don't carry themselves like the typical entitled "star"....**coughs** Brett Favre.

His outside interests aren't really the point. The point is that he seemed to lack passion for the game. That lack of passion was always sensed by fans, but was never openly discussed because of avoidance of accusations of unfair criticism (or validating VY fanboys and media). But the feeling permeated, and it was a sense of oddness that a man with his physical ability was not among the most feared pass rushers in the game. He was indeed dominant at times, but if a pass rusher with his measurables --if he passionately loves the game-- has an appetite to destroy, then that appetite would be satisfied regularly. But he didn't, and that is why his name does not trigger the same response as names like Jared Allen or Demarcus Ware.

Note one of the positives from Zierlein's assessment of Mario:

* Mario’s long arms allow him the opportunity to be elite when it comes to setting the edge against the run. He rarely gets pushed very far off of his spot vs. the run, so it is tough to find substantial running lanes to his side at any point.

He addresses Mario's superior physical attribute, and then the potential it provides. After six years of watching Mario Williams, Zierlein speaks of his elite status conditionally, not factually. That says it all right there.

[2slik4u]

Am I the only one that wants to punch Charlie Casserly in his smug face every time he comes on the CBS pre-game show and is titled the "GM expert"?

He is such a worthless piece of crap and its no suprise he is still out of work as a GM. That article makes me sick to my stomach. The only thing he ever did good for Houston was draft Mario. That still doesnt make up for his horrible picks for the previous 5+ years.

[Texan_Bill]

**** Him!!! He's a punk-ass beyotch (with his comments) and now on my twitter "****-list"!!

Blew him up earlier and continuing now on blowing him up.... As SecondHoneymoon (aka @CardinalDoug on Twitter) can attest to.

*EDIT*
@DougVanHorne

[Wolf]

I wonder why he even gives a ****. He knows and pretty much everyone in the league knows (besides buffalo) that they couldn't afford that contract.

On a side note , I don't recall Mario being to lively on twitter while with the Texans (I don't have twitter and don't follow it, but I don't recall anyone posting his tweets before he went to buffalo )

Anyway I guess it would be interesting to see him become the first 100 million dollar man to not make the playoffs. I do think he will get their eventually being the patriots ought to start declining being Brady is getting long in the tooth! Jets will implode, and the dolphins are the dolphins

[False Start]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

**** Him!!! He's a punk-ass beyotch (with his comments)

I agree.

[BullBlitz]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

Mario tweeted:
"Judgement Day November 4th!!"

I was a Mario guy and I wished him the best in Buffalo, but now it's on!! **** him!! The pansy probably won't even be on the field come November 4th.

He will be there. Should be fun.

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by BullBlitz

He will be there. Should be fun.

Watching from the sideline??