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Old 05-12-2005   #21
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Texans - WE are going to get protection for David - What a joke. I hope some of the young guys we drafted or picked up prove to be better than we hoped. But knowing Capers - it will be run, run, run, run - woops he forgot it was 4th down, he must have missed it on his chart.
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Texans - WE are going to get protection for David - What a joke. I hope some of the young guys we drafted or picked up prove to be better than we hoped. But knowing Capers - it will be run, run, run, run - woops he forgot it was 4th down, he must have missed it on his chart.
Damn you are negative. What have the Texans EVER done besides improve EVERY year?
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I hear that Riley was told that he would be given the chance to play LT, Does anyone else think that he can do it? In a zone blocking scheme you have to create speration and at 6'5" 340lbs it seems that he can do that.
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Damn you are negative. What have the Texans EVER done besides improve EVERY year?
that was ibar talking.....enough said
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What are the odds that he doesn't make the final roster? I think he was brought in to compete with Wade and Wand, but if he can't win the starters spot, I think he will be released in the final round of cuts. JMO
Agreed: Looking forward to the day we spend a day one pick on a Victor Riley type. Thought Milford & Fred were those guys ? That will mean the franchise has turned a corner and become one of the elite teams. Looks like Spit and Bailing wire to me. He was a great player for the saints. Like the move though. Shows The Franchise a little luv anyway.
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To read the initial report, it sounds like Crash Riley will have escalators in his contract, depending on playing time. If that's the case, there's no benefit to releasing him if he can't win a starting job, because he's probably better than anyone we have for depth (at tackle at least).

On the subject of Offensive Line, will Todd Washington ever crack the starting lineup, or is he just not good enough? They extended him last year, if I recall correctly, so they must have seen SOMETHING they liked. And they didn't go for offensive line until later on in the draft, so there must be something they're confident in, in the interior line.
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Looks like they are sending a message to Seth Wand and the rest of the offensive line. If Wand's play doesn't improve this year I think it's safe to say that he's not going to be starting beyond next year.
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Damn you are negative. What have the Texans EVER done besides improve EVERY year?
Actuallly if you read some of my posts you will see I'm optomistic in some areas, but not others. I believe management and McNair made a promise to the fans to do what was necessary to protect David from the on slaughts he has suffered the last three years. We continue to draft potential receivers, but do not improve the O-line which is so necessary to give David time to find those receivers and give them a chance to get open. Are Capers and Casserly resonably good at picking sleepers, I think the answer is yes. Is Capers reasonably good at designing Defensive Schemes, I think the answer is yes. But when it comes to game management and players and handling the offense he gets a big NO. I'm tired as a fan of seeing David lying on his back and the coaches saying we will get better at protecting David when most of the O-line talent - questionable - they have signed are efficient in run blocking but not pass protection. I'm not saying we shouldn't run the ball, but we should be just as good at either one. We need to be able to run the ball effectively and we need to be able to pass the ball effectively whichever is required. That means are O-line must be able to run block and pass block. We need to be able to create a pocket for the passer. How many years does it take to figure that out?
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Hmmm...interesting. Anyone got any info in reguards to his playing ability?
He played o.k. for the Chiefs......but was easily expendable, given the O line the Chief have. He would be a rotational player I think.
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Actuallly if you read some of my posts you will see I'm optomistic in some areas, but not others. I believe management and McNair made a promise to the fans to do what was necessary to protect David from the on slaughts he has suffered the last three years. We continue to draft potential receivers, but do not improve the O-line which is so necessary to give David time to find those receivers and give them a chance to get open. Are Capers and Casserly resonably good at picking sleepers, I think the answer is yes. Is Capers reasonably good at designing Defensive Schemes, I think the answer is yes. But when it comes to game management and players and handling the offense he gets a big NO. I'm tired as a fan of seeing David lying on his back and the coaches saying we will get better at protecting David when most of the O-line talent - questionable - they have signed are efficient in run blocking but not pass protection. I'm not saying we shouldn't run the ball, but we should be just as good at either one. We need to be able to run the ball effectively and we need to be able to pass the ball effectively whichever is required. That means are O-line must be able to run block and pass block. We need to be able to create a pocket for the passer. How many years does it take to figure that out?

All I know if the rushing game i.e. play atcion pass is not effective enough to get the ball deep once a quarter
to the outside guys i.e. AJ, then this offense is a failure.
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td's for AJ in the season is beyond pathetic. I'm not an NFL guy and I could double that. We can't attack the outside, we can't or won't attack over the top, and we get stuffed too much on short yardage situations. Cleveland just released there d-line. Greenbay is a ptifull defense. They just dumped the D-coordinator, in both of those games last year the o-line got punked. Know what I mean by punked ? Some of the young guys, Brown, Washington, and Weary need to
fish or cut bait. Some of those guys we paid a Charles Bentley price for and got a back ups production from. Someone neeeds to be held accountable for that. However evaluated them was obviosly wrong. We don't run screeens, traps, or counters. We run two off tackles and dink and dunk for a chance to move the cains. Or try to fool 'em with a draw. Or we do try to go down the feild on third down and Carr scrambles for a first. We are running a zone blocking scheme with guys who are primarly run blockers. Pitts was one of the speedier lineman when he came out. You can count on your hand the number of times they released the guy to block someone in space. If we are going to be the old Washington Redskins, put in the counter, throw deep. I guess basically what I'm saying is that the offense as it stands now has no identity. If we can make Cleveland and Green Bay d's last year look like juggernauts, something is radically wrong. They've bet the farm on this group of guys. One way or 'nother the misery will end this season. I said all off season one of the two lines would have to improve befor this team goes anywhere. I stand by that.
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It would really be nice to see the Texans pickup/trade/draft an offensive lineman that would be clear upgrade to what is currently on the roster. So far the Texans have been content to plug in free agent linemen ( Wade being the exception) that have little upside and alot of downside.

I wonder what it would be like to have a quality center? I'm sure Carr asks the same thing when his center gets bull rushed and thrown backpeddling into Carr's legs.
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I agree with threetoedpete. The lines on both sides of the ball is where it all starts. They will dictate the success of this Texans team. Improving the O-line is paramount. I hope these guys start looking like a cohesive unit and protect our QB so that he and his guys can execute....and the Texans get something out of signing Carr before he's a FA.
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He is an upgrade over Spears. As a starting RT, he was an average run and pass blocker.
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It would really be nice to see the Texans pickup/trade/draft an offensive lineman that would be clear upgrade to what is currently on the roster.
OK your the GM who should we get or could have gotten? "that would be clear upgrade to what is currently on the roster."
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Well we could have gotten Orland Pace, but its hard to play with out an arm and a leg.
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Well we could have gotten Orland Pace, but its hard to play with out an arm and a leg.
No, Charlie tried he tried real hard to get Orlando he was just using us for leverage he didn't want to leave St. Louis. So again what should Charlie do that he hasn't done. We are getting better each year not many teams can say that. Look this year we will protect Carr better and we will run the ball better and that will make play action better. We are ready for a breakout year. This team reminds me of the Dallas team in the early ninties the first year they went to the playoffs. Then it was 3 superbowls in 4 years. We are on track.
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Here is a Saints fan's view of Victor Riley over on pigskinheaven.com:

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I now feel more sorry for David Carr than I had before.

Victor Riley is a locker room cancer, a drive killer and a poor player. He regularly has gotten in fights with his teammates for 2 years running now, and has yelled at New Orleans' general manager, Mickey Loomis, in the past.

He lead the entire NFL in false start penalties last year, and this, to me, shows that he doesn't have the discipline to play in the NFL.

Riley also comes into camp overweight regularly, and has a piss poor work ethic. It shows when he cannot keep defenders on a pass play off of Brooks and is sucking air by the middle of the 1st quarter.

IMO, Carr's sack record is in jeapordy.
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True, since NO is such a well run / organized team.
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Are ya'll serious? For a organization supposedly being built on character this was a HORRENDOUS move.

Its not as bad as BEATING his wife? He HIT his wife's car with their child in it fool. Its amazing how folks can justify a player for the team because of talent and overlook character when its convient. This crap is ridiculous and I for one hopes he does not make the roster.

I was happy when we passed on troy edwards who beat his fiancee in college constantly. I certainly dont want a jack***** who rams a car with his wife and child in it.
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I now feel more sorry for David Carr than I had before.

Victor Riley is a locker room cancer, a drive killer and a poor player. He regularly has gotten in fights with his teammates for 2 years running now, and has yelled at New Orleans' general manager, Mickey Loomis, in the past.

He lead the entire NFL in false start penalties last year, and this, to me, shows that he doesn't have the discipline to play in the NFL.

Riley also comes into camp overweight regularly, and has a piss poor work ethic. It shows when he cannot keep defenders on a pass play off of Brooks and is sucking air by the middle of the 1st quarter.

IMO, Carr's sack record is in jeapordy.
I told ya'll, and people didn't want to take my word for it
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