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Old 05-10-2005   #1
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Maybe someone has already discussed this, or maybe not. I am having an argument with someone on the CBS Sportsline Rumor Mill (fun stuff) and a guy is saying that Tom Brady is the best QB OF ALL TIME. Is there reason to believe Brady is the best of all time? Or are there way better choices than Brady?

IMO, it's Joe Montana.
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Maybe someone has already discussed this, or maybe not. I am having an argument with someone on the CBS Sportsline Rumor Mill (fun stuff) and a guy is saying that Tom Brady is the best QB OF ALL TIME. Is there reason to believe Brady is the best of all time? Or are there way better choices than Brady?

IMO, it's Joe Montana.
That`s a hard 1. Do you go by stats or do you go by wins. Regular Season Stats I would say no. If you are talking about Playoff Wins he is up there with Montana. Brady is still 9-0 in the playoffs and counting. Right now he is on a coarse to be best ever in Playoffs! Brady has 3 rings at 27 Aikman was 29 and Montana was 32! 1 guy you are forgetting is Bart Starr. I think he and Brady are tied with 9 straight wins in the Playoffs. Also Starr was drafted I think in the 15th Round! But what all these QB`s have in common is they don`t make mistakes and had good or even great Defense`s behind them.
Here is 1 Stat that is incredible Montana has no INT`s in 4 SB`S!!! Also Brady this yr had no INT`s through out the Playoffs! As for Manning until you win the big game he can`t sit at the same table of these QB`s. He can sit at the table with Dan Marino.Like Vince Lombardi said " if winning isn`t everything then why do we keep score"
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I wouldn't put Brady on the top of the list yet, to me, Bret Favre takes that role. He's a mold yet to be broken, as long as he's on the feild the Packers will have a chance to win a game. Anyone who disagrees, sorry but you're just wrong.
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I wouldn't put Brady on the top of the list yet, to me, Bret Favre takes that role. He's a mold yet to be broken, as long as he's on the feild the Packers will have a chance to win a game. Anyone who disagrees, sorry but you're just wrong.
I like this guy. Brett is the man!
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Terry Bradshaw. 5
Bradshaw won 4 SB's not 5. Pittsburgh won 4 Super Bowls in a span of 6 seasons (1974, 1975, 1978, 1979).

Montana won 4 SB's in a span of 9 seasons (between 1981 and 1989).

Brady has won 3 SB's in a span of 4 seasons.
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Here is 1 Stat that is incredible Montana has no INT`s in 4 SB`S!!! Also Brady this yr had no INT`s through out the Playoffs! As for Manning until you win the big game he can`t sit at the same table of these QB`s. He can sit at the table with Dan Marino.Like Vince Lombardi said " if winning isn`t everything then why do we keep score"
Haha, pats fans are so paranoid. Every time this conversation comes up, they bash manning, even if no one has brought him up.

If you want to argue rings, it's Otto Graham (played 10 years, played IN 10 title games, won 7) if you want to argue stats, it's dan marino. If you want to argue leadership, it's Johnny Unitas. And if you want to be a homer, it's Peyton Manning
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1. John Elway
2. Joe Montana
3. Johnny Unitas
4. Dan Marino
5. Brett Favre

That's my top 5.
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wanna explain this one Huge? I mean I am with you on all the other one's. But this one? and as #1?
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wanna explain this one Huge? I mean I am with you on all the other one's. But this one? and as #1?
I know. I had to convince myself for the longest time.

I almost always had him behind Montana and Marino. But no QB has been/was as good after 35 years old than Elway. The other greats had the benefit of being in a system that fit their talents for pretty much their entire careers (Montana in the West Coast, Marino in the pass happy Miami attack...as was Fouts, Aikman with the great running game, etc.).

Only when Shanahan came along and fit the offense around Elway (he knew Elway better than anybody) did Elway really explode (just look at his stats). Imagine if Dan Reeves had not been so stubborn and listened to Elway and Shanahan when Mike was the OC in Denver.

So based on his stats (impressive as any), wins (more than any), natural ability (nobody's arm equals Elway's except maybe Jeff George but he ain't 1/4 of the QB Elway was) and success (2 titles)...my nod goes to Elway.

As crazy as it sounds.
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my top five are a little different

1. johnny U
2. elway
3. montana
4. bradshaw
5. morino

close to the top

broadway joe
brett farve
roger staubach
troy aikman
tom brady
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I maybe too old school (even though i'm only 25) but I'd take Slangin Sammy Baugh any day.

As far as modern era in which you guys speak....Its about the Rings let's not kid ourselves here. Unfortunately you can be a great qb stuck on a horrible team and get penalized for it. HEY LIFE AINT FAIR.

As for the pace Brady is setting you'd have to argue he is the best. 3 in 4 years? No reason to believe they can't win this year. They seem to find a way.

I'm not ready to call him #1 until he retires though.
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I maybe too old school (even though i'm only 25) but I'd take Slangin Sammy Baugh any day.

As far as modern era in which you guys speak....Its about the Rings let's not kid ourselves here. Unfortunately you can be a great qb stuck on a horrible team and get penalized for it. HEY LIFE AINT FAIR.

As for the pace Brady is setting you'd have to argue he is the best. 3 in 4 years? No reason to believe they can't win this year. They seem to find a way.

I'm not ready to call him #1 until he retires though.
if the modern era is about rings.. so you'd take Trent Dilfer over Manning?
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1. Joe Montana
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Steve Young
4. Troy Aikman
5. John Elway

Nowhere near the top:
1. Steve "The Lob" Grogan
2. Chris Chandler
3. Jeff George
4. Rodney Peete
5. Ryan "Make Like a Tree and" Leaf
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1. Joe Montana (I said Joe Montayna!)
2. John Elway
3. Warren Moon
4. Dan Marino
5. Brett Favre
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Well Joe Montana did his thang for a long time, not just for 4 years. So I give it up to him. After that you do gotta say Brady. C'mon 4 years 3 SuperBowls, one was a come from behind (so what about the fumble), does it with a team of nobodies except for the fact they are somebody now because they won a SuperBowl, also doesn't have quite the arm as any of the other above mentioned QBs.

And if you are looking for non winning or attending SuperBowl QBs, I know many of you will say Marino and that is fair, but IMHO it is Warren Moon. Even though Douglas from the Skins was the first Black QB to win the SB, Warren Moon erased the notion that QB was not a position for black people and he broke alot of records and played very well for a very long time.
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So if you've got to include Brady because of 3 rings in 4 years, where do you put Troy Aikman?

And a team of "nobodies" (Ty Law, Richard Seymore, Willie McGinest, Rodney Harrison, Lawyer Milloy, Corey Dillon, Adam Vinatieri, Tedy Bruschi <--- "nobodies"?) doesn't change the fact they're still a great team. Brady is not what makes them great. He's just another piece (albeit an important one) in their puzzle.
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Oh yea I'd take Trent Dilfer over Manning. Quit being an i-d-i-o-t. Dilfer has one.

I'm speaking of RINGS. Plural.

I don't think there is a CLEAR definition then of how we are judging what defines the GREATEST qb.

any suggestions?
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1.john elway
2.joe montana
3.brett farve
4.dam marino
5.mick vick( i know he's not number 5 yet but will be i love this guy)
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Oh yea I'd take Trent Dilfer over Manning. Quit being an i-d-i-o-t. Dilfer has one.

I'm speaking of RINGS. Plural.

I don't think there is a CLEAR definition then of how we are judging what defines the GREATEST qb.

any suggestions?
Interesting that you would take Baugh (two rings) over Montana and Bradshaw (four rings each), or Aikman and Brady (three rings each).
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Baugh didn't play in any super bowls. I don't think you can classify the old nfl championship the same way you do the sb championships. Different era and stage.

If that's the case why not throw in Fran Tarkenton or YA Tittle because clearly if this is about great qb's and not just sb wins you'd have to include these names as well.

You also have to take into account how DIFFERENT the game is. Bart Starr called his own plays as did most of the qb's of that era and as it is now only 1 calls his own plays.

There seems to be no criteria for the greatest qb. I think the question should be more if we were all starting our OWN teams who would we want to lead them and what kind of Offense would we be running.
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