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Old 07-29-2012   #101
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Fits in with the "Percy Harvin to the Texans" and "Dwight Howard to the Rockets". Should be in the "Things that will never happen" forum.

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AJ's recent re-worked contract counts $700,000 in base this season. Same could be done for those I mentioned above. If we had Wallace, AJ and Martin, could we cut Walter?
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I'm sure you could. Have no idea what the cap ramifications would be though. The only thing about re-working contracts is eventually you're going to have to have their contracts count against the cap. Pushing it back has put some teams in cap hell from my understanding of it. Again, I'm with you if they could make it work.
AJ did rework his contract to a 2012 $700,000 base with a $4,848,571 cap hit. Next year his base salary jumps to $6,200,000 and I would suspect that the cap hit would accordingly escalate impressively.
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Fits in with the "Percy Harvin to the Texans" and "Dwight Howard to the Rockets". Should be in the "Things that will never happen" forum.
Or perhaps this is the true meaning of Fantasy Football, which btw there is a forum for. I have a sneaking suspicion you probably already knew it existed though.
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Fits in with the "Percy Harvin to the Texans" and "Dwight Howard to the Rockets". Should be in the "Things that will never happen" forum.
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At least thread is no"Arlington Texan winning Powerball" thread from what I can see.
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Fits in with the "Percy Harvin to the Texans" and "Dwight Howard to the Rockets". Should be in the "Things that will never happen" forum.
Except Dwight to the Rockets is an actual trade being worked on and not just a fan pipe dream.
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Except Dwight to the Rockets is an actual trade being worked on and not just a fan pipe dream.
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i dont think this is going to happpen because look how our offense is ran alot of running the ball alot of boots and alot of get the ball out of the qb's hand quick

the ball goes to our RB first then TE then prob FB hell

Mike will have to do alotttt of run blocking seems like a waste to me i think we should get a good Vet TE instead in case Garrett does not work out
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AJ did rework his contract to a 2012 $700,000 base with a $4,848,571 cap hit. Next year his base salary jumps to $6,200,000 and I would suspect that the cap hit would accordingly escalate impressively.
My understanding is he got a $5.2m signing bonus that will be averaged thur 2016 so his cap will be much smaller. He also was to get an annual $1m work out bonus but not sure if he gets that under the new 2012 deal.

Regardless, it is many millions less than originally and has not been used yet. Ball and the Dallas ILB were peanuts.
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My understanding is he got a $5.2m signing bonus that will be averaged thur 2016 so his cap will be much smaller. He also was to get an annual $1m work out bonus but not sure if he gets that under the new 2012 deal.

Regardless, it is many millions less than originally and has not been used yet. Ball and the Dallas ILB were peanuts.
Every time his salary got restructured, it was changed into a signing bonus that is prorated through the remainder of the contract. He has done that the last two years and has a substantial increase in pay the next few years because of this. AJ will be a cap problem in the next few years if he doesn't get extended for cheap, and have current salary spread out over those extra years.
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Every time his salary got restructured, it was changed into a signing bonus that is prorated through the remainder of the contract. He has done that the last two years and has a substantial increase in pay the next few years because of this. AJ will be a cap problem in the next few years if he doesn't get extended for cheap, and have current salary spread out over those extra years.
He has already been extended thru 2016 but Aj is not the issue. There are other vets that could be re-structured.
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Please stop listening to vomity sports talk topics. There's no $ for Wallace RT @closest2thepin: what do you think? Tate for mike Wallace?

Hey Bill, ask Stephanie what happened to the money that is not going to Briesel, WInston, Allen, etc? I thought it was being saved for our 2012 free agents but seems like we have a need now & it seems those guys will not be addressed until after 2012 season.. If Mario had agreed to re-sign with Texans where would that money have come from?

I think it is a legitimate concern and fans want to talk about it, "vomity" or not.
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Hey Bill, ask Stephanie what happened to the money that is not going to Briesel, WInston, Allen, etc? I thought it was being saved for our 2012 free agents but seems like we have a need now & it seems those guys will not be addressed until after 2012 season.. If Mario had agreed to re-sign with Texans where would that money have come from?

I think it is a legitimate concern and fans want to talk about it, "vomity" or not.
I don't have to ask! Bisquit, Winston and Allen were cut because the Texans didn't have money to pay them. In short, they were "up against it" in terms of money they could spend. Part of that money got Meyers signed, but also looking forward to getting Brown, Schaub and others next season.

Hell BadBoy, ask Steph yourself the total ramifications! She'll give you a complete and fairly accurate breakdown of what's up!!

I'll see if I can find a breakdown from Twitter from earlier!!

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He has already been extended thru 2016 but Aj is not the issue. There are other vets that could be re-structured.
Not this year, starting next year his caphit will be 10 million plus for the next 4 years. We may end up cutting him in 2015 due to cap considerations, but will continue having him on the books due to signing bonuses and restructures.

We just don't have much capspace at this point, and Mike Wallace isn't going to re-sign with us unless we give him AJ money. A team can only have so many AJs, and WRs are kind of useless without a QB. Schaub and Brown will take precedence over Wallace even if we got him somehow, so it would be a 1 year rental. I'd rather keep Tate behind Foster and have him help keep Arian healthy.
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Not this year, starting next year his caphit will be 10 million plus for the next 4 years. We may end up cutting him in 2015 due to cap considerations, but will continue having him on the books due to signing bonuses and restructures.

We just don't have much capspace at this point, and Mike Wallace isn't going to re-sign with us unless we give him AJ money. A team can only have so many AJs, and WRs are kind of useless without a QB. Schaub and Brown will take precedence over Wallace even if we got him somehow, so it would be a 1 year rental. I'd rather keep Tate behind Foster and have him help keep Arian healthy.
Trading AJ would create cap room.

Cap room wont matter if Schaub/AJ only play 8-10 games this yr. AJ's injury history is why I wanted to see the Texans trade up high in the 2nd rd and take Hill/Jeffery like Jets/Bears did.
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Trading AJ would create cap room.

Cap room wont matter if Schaub/AJ only play 8-10 games this yr. AJ's injury history is why I wanted to see the Texans trade up high in the 2nd rd and take Hill/Jeffery like Jets/Bears did.
He still has a good amount of signing bonus and restructure money left on his deal. Trading him would accelerate all of that to the current year, and hamstring our chances of re-signing Schaub, Barwin and Brown. AJ needs to stay on the books for at least two more years, unless he plans on retiring, or he needs to do a minimum deal extension and restructure to spread out the next few years of salary.

I'm not saying we can't keep AJ as it stands right now, but his contract is going to hurt the team in a year or two to the point that we may have to let some of our better up and coming talent go.
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As it has been pointed out...keep AJ for two more years, and then think about doing a deal with a talented #1 WR who is seeking a new team.

AVOID THE TEMPTATION TO FIND THE NEXT AJ
Don't try and draft a guy. Don't try and find the next AJ in the draft. And don't even try and find the next AJ in free agency. Those guys, such as AJ and Hakeem Olajuwon (NBA) are rare players...you aren't going to fully replace them once they walk away. You have to be patient and wait. You have to have a high draft pick and have options on draft day. And you have to select the right person at that spot *cough*RememberCharles Rodgers*cough* so the better route is through free agency.

We just can't do it right now at the moment because the timing is wrong.

THE "IF/THEN" STATEMENT
If AJ continues to be absent this year and next, then I think the Texans ask him to retire or let him know that he has to leave so the team can pay a younger WR1 to play here. We simply cannot afford to keep him here and pay him WR1 money if his body is not holding up for 14 to 16 games each year. If we're getting 10 to 12 games, or less, out of him...it's time to move on and find another WR1 and pay him the money we'd pay AJ for being our WR1.

It's the NFL life. We all know it. It sucks, majorly, but it is what it is.

WOULD MCNAIR BE OVERLY SENTIMENTAL???
Would McNair bottle up AJ and keep him on the team, at the expense of maybe not being able to pay other top shelf talent to stay here at the same time??? I would really hope he'd not be THAT sentimental. But, ya know, that's been his way for a long time...with the exception of this year (Cutting Winston, trading Ryans, etc.).

With AJ, he's the only Texans player who feels like a life-long representation of the Texans. If we had a Wall Of Honor in Reliant Stadium, where marquee players get their name put up and you're sitting in your seats during the game and you look up and see "Greatest Texans of All Time" up on the sides of sections of Reliant Stadium...it's Andre Johnson #80. Period.

Do you let that guy walk? Do you look at him and tell him "We can't pay you anymore. Time to own and manage your own car dealership franchise, or go find a new team"? Gonna' be verrrry hard to make AJ move on.

It's a day I don't want to see, and I have a feeling that it's not too far off. It's definitely a water shed moment for the Texans. They have a top notch guy, a face of the franchise, a guy who has earned everything and then some, and yet we're nearing the end. This is the part of football I hate. Seriously.
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All evidence to the contrary. Look through the the top 20 receivers. Unless I missed one NONE were obtained through free agency. There is Wes Welker who Miami traded because they were stupid and didn't know how to use the undersized WR (and had no QB) and there is Brandon Marshall who has twice been traded despite 5 straight 80 reception seasons because he is such a head case. The only arguable #1 WR I can think of obtained through free agency is Vincent Jackson and once again that was due to an irreparable relationship.
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All evidence to the contrary. Look through the the top 20 receivers. Unless I missed one NONE were obtained through free agency. There is Wes Welker who Miami traded because they were stupid and didn't know how to use the undersized WR (and had no QB) and there is Brandon Marshall who has twice been traded despite 5 straight 80 reception seasons because he is such a head case. The only arguable #1 WR I can think of obtained through free agency is Vincent Jackson and once again that was due to an irreparable relationship.
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