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Old 03-22-2012   #81
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YESSSS!. Isn't that what message boards are for???? NO?


That said, I stick to my original............ Efff Wallace. Not a good fit.
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Who else would love to see the Texans give up their #26 pick and sign Mike Wallace from the Steelers?
LMAO how are the Texans going to pay Wallace? Have you been paying attention Texans have no cap space?
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Ed: Trading Wallace Best for Both Sides

...The Steelers did more than sign a good, young receiver when Antonio Brown committed to them through the 2017 season. They lowered the kaboom on Wallace. There was little chance they were going to give into Wallace’s contract demands before they signed Brown; there is no chance now.

That doesn’t mean a multiple-year contract is no longer available to Wallace. It very well could be. But the number offered by the Steelers before AB would likely be reduced dramatically, that is if negotiations even resume with Wallace on a multiple-year deal.

A sign-and-trade remains a possibility, but the Steelers do not like to go that route because it might set a precedent for a player or players to force trades similarly in the future. However, a trade technically can happen and the scenario would look like this: The Steelers give another team or teams permission to talk to Wallace to try to work out a deal. If they do, Wallace would sign his one-year tender with the Steelers, who then would trade him to the other team.

What could they get for Wallace at this point? No team apparently was willing to give up a first-round draft choice for him when he was a restricted free agent, so why would they do it now? Santonio Holmes, remember, brought them only a fifth-round pick. I’m guessing with Wallace, it could be a fourth-rounder.

Do you do that trade? I think the Steelers have reached a point that they might. They now view Wallace as a potential distraction – not his holdout, but if he ever ends it. He not only slumped in the second half of last season...
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Talk to me about it after we've resigned Barwin, Brown, and Schaub and still have cap room(which probably won't happen)
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Wallace turned down a $50 million contract, choosing instead to play for $2.5 million this year and hit a monster pay day next year. So, we would be renting him for one year. I can't imagine a worst trade than a run-dominate team with an elite WR (Andre Johnson) trading away valuable picks for a one year WR rental. NO!!
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Wallace turned down a $50 million contract, choosing instead to play for $2.5 million this year and hit a monster pay day next year. So, we would be renting him for one year. I can't imagine a worst trade than a run-dominate team with an elite WR (Andre Johnson) trading away valuable picks for a one year WR rental. NO!!
You think a 4th round for a Pro Bowl WR is a bad trade? I'd give our first this season and next for him. Wallace should be willing to work an AJ type contract.Work a deal for what he gets 2012 from Pitts and have him sign lengthy extension this season.

In 2013 we should be out from under the dead money burden of Slaton, Okoye, David Anderson and Orlovsky. That is approx $8million. Pay Wallace the $2.5m this season and use dead money for 2013. That gives us a probowler opposite AJ for two seasons. We have money for Duane Brown now so he is not an issue.

Here is a thread from another source that is from Feb but offers info on 2012 Texans pre-draft. http://forums.somethingawful.com/sho...#post400187767

Arrow down a bit until he talks about Texans.
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You think a 4th round for a Pro Bowl WR is a bad trade? I'd give our first this season and next for him. Wallace should be willing to work an AJ type contract.Work a deal for what he gets 2012 from Pitts and have him sign lengthy extension this season.

In 2013 we should be out from under the dead money burden of Slaton, Okoye, David Anderson and Orlovsky. That is approx $8million. Pay Wallace the $2.5m this season and use dead money for 2013. That gives us a probowler opposite AJ for two seasons. We have money for Duane Brown now so he is not an issue.

Here is a thread from another source that is from Feb but offers info on 2012 Texans pre-draft. http://forums.somethingawful.com/sho...#post400187767

Arrow down a bit until he talks about Texans.
The 4th rounder for Wallace is a no brainer. Any team in the league would give that up yesterday. The issue is he wants to be paid similar to what VJax got from Tampa this year. In the neighborhood of 5 years 55 mil. If we already had Brown, Barwin, and Schaub locked up then I'll pull the trigger. In a dream world I'd love to see it happen though.
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Wallace has said he wants Larry Fitzgerald money. That's more than Mario Williams. http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/average/
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Wallace has said he wants Larry Fitzgerald money. That's more than Mario Williams. http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/average/
Apparently he changed course recently and now said he wants Vincent Jackson money.

Wallace wants to be paid like Vincent Jackson, not Fitzgerald
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Apparently he changed course recently and now said he wants Vincent Jackson money.

Wallace wants to be paid like Vincent Jackson, not Fitzgerald
Ahh, okay. $11 million per year vs. $16 million. Andre averages ~$9 million.

I don't think we have the QB arm to fully utilize Wallace's best attribute, anyway.
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The 4th rounder for Wallace is a no brainer. Any team in the league would give that up yesterday. The issue is he wants to be paid similar to what VJax got from Tampa this year. In the neighborhood of 5 years 55 mil. If we already had Brown, Barwin, and Schaub locked up then I'll pull the trigger. In a dream world I'd love to see it happen though.
Take a few minutes and look at the 2012 roster. Can you not find $10- 11m to cut for a probowler? '

How about re-working J. Joseph and A. Smith's deals. That would pay for most of it. Let's not forget the money we gained from Demeco, Briesel, Leinert, the money "reserved" for Mario but not used,


We can cut Holliday $540K, Iglesias $540K, Ra'Shon Harris $390K, Beck $700K, Sherrick McManus $490K, Shelley Smith $490K, Jon Weeks $540K that is about $3.5 to $4m
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Take a few minutes and look at the 2012 roster. Can you not find $10- 11m to cut for a probowler? '

We can cut Holliday $540K, Iglesias $540K, Ra'Shon Harris $390K, Beck $700K, Sherrick McManus $490K, Shelley Smith $490K, Jon Weeks $540K that is about $3.5 to $4m
Those figures are all so close to the league minimum that you're not really saving any money by cutting those guys because you're only going to have to replace them with other league minimum players to fill out the roster.
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Take a few minutes and look at the 2012 roster. Can you not find $10- 11m to cut for a probowler? '

How about re-working J. Joseph and A. Smith's deals. That would pay for most of it. Let's not forget the money we gained from Demeco, Briesel, Leinert, the money "reserved" for Mario but not used,


We can cut Holliday $540K, Iglesias $540K, Ra'Shon Harris $390K, Beck $700K, Sherrick McManus $490K, Shelley Smith $490K, Jon Weeks $540K that is about $3.5 to $4m
To be honest I'm not a cap expert so I wouldn't know exactly what would need to be done. I just know that a lot of money would be tied up at the receiver position with Wallace and AJ on the roster together. If it could be done and we could keep our key components then I'd be all for it.
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Those figures are all so close to the league minimum that you're not really saving any money by cutting those guys because you're only going to have to replace them with other league minimum players to fill out the roster.
Interesting you focused on the bottom of the barrel guys rather than the other two areas I mentioned that would allow us to sign Wallace. Why is everyone so willing to shell out big bucks for Barwin and Brown? It's because they are worth it at key positions. Well a pro bowl WR who can play oposite AJ and then move to WR1 when AJ hangs them up is also worth the bucks. I cannot understand anyone not getting this. Hell's bells! Re-work Manning.

IIRC, McNair said Mario's salary for 2011 was apprx $13.8m. Let's say cap was met at $120m minus $14 = $106m where did that 14 go? Escalators? Yeah some, but there were other guys who left whose millions have to fit in somewhere.
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To be honest I'm not a cap expert so I wouldn't know exactly what would need to be done. I just know that a lot of money would be tied up at the receiver position with Wallace and AJ on the roster together. If it could be done and we could keep our key components then I'd be all for it.
AJ's recent re-worked contract counts $700,000 in base this season. Same could be done for those I mentioned above. If we had Wallace, AJ and Martin, could we cut Walter?
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AJ's recent re-worked contract counts $700,000 in base this season. Same could be done for those I mentioned above. If we had Wallace, AJ and Martin, could we cut Walter?
I'm sure you could. Have no idea what the cap ramifications would be though. The only thing about re-working contracts is eventually you're going to have to have their contracts count against the cap. Pushing it back has put some teams in cap hell from my understanding of it. Again, I'm with you if they could make it work.
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When did this Mike Wallace to the Texans become a thing??? Man, I've missed out on this thread I think.
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Interesting you focused on the bottom of the barrel guys rather than the other two areas I mentioned that would allow us to sign Wallace.
I focused on that because that was the portion of your reasoning that was flawed. I'm not arguing that we shouldn't sign Wallace, I'm just saying it can't be done that way.

It's not logical to think you can cut league minimum guys to sign high-dollar guys. You have to fill out your roster. And because there's a league minimum salary, you can't just sign clowns off the street for $50k/year.

I'm all for signing Wallace, but it simply won't be as easy as you make it seem. If it were easy to approach high-dollar players with re-worked contracts and get them to agree, it would be happening a lot more often.
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Wallace to the Texans is a pipe dream. We aren't cutting 5 or 6 players to make room for Wallace, does not matter how prudent we as a collective may think it is.
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When did this Mike Wallace to the Texans become a thing??? Man, I've missed out on this thread I think.
Fits in with the "Percy Harvin to the Texans" and "Dwight Howard to the Rockets". Should be in the "Things that will never happen" forum.
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