ToRo_DomiNatioN
Practice Squad
Simple question who wins this battle, Duane Brown or Mario Williams?
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Williams vs Brown
- Thread starter ToRo_DomiNatioN
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Trap_Star
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he's gonna play that game mostly on the strong side against butler. book it.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
When was the last time Duane Brown lost a battle?
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Um, Duane Brown.
TdotTexas2Step
Rookie
What does this question even mean? What's the context?
One snap until whistle is blown dead, winner takes all? Then either can come out of it on top.
Through the course of an entire game? I think Brown could hold his own, Mario will get by him a couple of times and get a sack or two, but not enough for us to seriously worry.
One snap until whistle is blown dead, winner takes all? Then either can come out of it on top.
Through the course of an entire game? I think Brown could hold his own, Mario will get by him a couple of times and get a sack or two, but not enough for us to seriously worry.
ToRo_DomiNatioN
Practice Squad
I think Duane Brown will prevent him from getting a sack. Mario's same old bull rush will not ower power Duane..
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Bills have already said they're going to utilize Mario as a LE. That means he's going to be going up against Butler...and he's going to own that battle.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
In a matchup between D. Brown and C. Norris, I'd still take D. Bown... So Williams doesn't stand a chance
T. Suggs is a much more polished pass rusher and mean D. Brown shut him down in both the games they played against each other. The week we play the Bills, if Mario is matched up against Duane, he might as well by a ticket and sit next to me in the stands, because you' ll be hearing his name about as often as mime.
T. Suggs is a much more polished pass rusher and mean D. Brown shut him down in both the games they played against each other. The week we play the Bills, if Mario is matched up against Duane, he might as well by a ticket and sit next to me in the stands, because you' ll be hearing his name about as often as mime.
Yep...
And I thought it was just the funniest things reading through some of those comments on the Bills board...
Mario. Which one is better value? Duane.
When Butler started at LT in '10, I don;t remember him getting beaten by bull rushes. It was the speed guys with more than one move that gave him fits.
It's going to be amusing for all of us who didn't think MW was all that watch the rest slowly realize the same thing.
ToRo_DomiNatioN
Practice Squad
Not value wise, i meant as far as them lining up agaisnt each other. Who is more likely to dominate the other?
He answered your question, he said Mario.
Then, he added his opinion that Brown is a better value.
Exactly. That's how Wade would have played it, and that's how Dave Wannstedt will play it.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
No worries!! By the time we face the Bills, Mario will be hampered by Plantar Fasciitis, a sports hernia, maybe pectoral issues.......... or Something! So no matter where Mario lines up, our tackles say:
"We got this!"
"We got this!"
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
tell me about it..I can't believe there's posters here who actually believe Mario would get the best of Duane Brown. Not only does Brown hold more value... He's also the better football player.
Mario Williams strictly beats people and gets his sacks with athleticism only (he's extremely lacking in the technique department). Guess what he won't be able to do with Duane Brown.. He won't be able to beat Brown with his athleticism. D. Brown is just as athletic as he is.
Mario Williams is a two trick pony... and one of those tricks isn't very effective either. He's either going to try to bullrush you or he's going to try to run around the edge (thus running himself out of the play more often than not).. he has no spin move, has no inside move, and he still can't use his hands for **** 7 years in. Mario has nothing that he can throw at Duane, that Duane wouldn't be able to handle...
Simply put, Mario doesn't have enough tools in his tool bag to beat Duane Brown and I'm really going to LMAO if Butler stone walls him as well.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
I can't believe there's posters here who actually believe Mario would get the best of Duane Brown. Not only does Brown hold more value... He's also the better football player.
Mario Williams strictly beats people and gets his sacks with athleticism only (he's extremely lacking in the technique department). Guess what he won't be able to do with Duane Brown.. He won't be able to beat Brown with his athleticism. D. Brown is just as athletic as he is.
Mario Williams is a two trick pony... and one of those tricks isn't very effective either. He's either going to try to bullrush you or he's going to try to run around the edge (thus running himself out of the play more often than not).. he has no spin move, has no inside move, and he still can't use his hands for **** 7 years in. Mario has nothing that he can throw at Duane, that Duane wouldn't be able to handle...
Simply put, Mario doesn't have enough tools in his tool bag to beat Duane Brown and I'm really going to LMAO if Butler stone walls him as well.
Mario Williams' high water mark in sacks over the last three years (and BTW, if I haven't said it before - well I have, I like Mario) has been like 9 sacks. Not only is that not $96 - $50 gauranteed NOT worthy, but I'm pretty sure that he never lived up to his $54 mill realized with his Texans rookie contract, but given the other two choices that draft year, I'm okay with it...
The Texans were smart (Cap- hamstrung or not) were smart to not pursue the resigning of Mario...
Malloy
Hall of Fame
LOL, was about to write that Mario would be on the IR by the time we play the bills
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Simple question back at ya, who picks a username with so many random capital letters?
Oh and Brown, 99/100, but then Mario will idolized as a bronzed god for that one time.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Mario you ain't lining up against Dallas Clark. Clubber Lang will knock you inta tumorah Rock, he'll knock you inta tumorah!!!
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Exactly... and Mario will of course want to rub it in against his old team. Especially if the rumors are true that the Texans didn't even make him an offer.
IMO, a motivated Mario is the best DE in the game.
So I vote Mario.
I answered your question. Mario is better at his respective position. Though if you want to get technical, in pretty much every single situation a tackle is going to stop the opposing defensive end from getting a pressure, hurry and/or sack on the majority of possessions in a game, so Duane would win more battles than not.
Which game are you talking about? The NFL, the Bills vs Texans, ping pong?
I can name a handful of better DE's off the top of my head. MW is above average, but far from elite at the position.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Yeah, where your post fails is where you claim Mario is a better player at his "respective position", when he clearly isn't. There is nothing that you can post which will suggest that claim you made is even true. Duane Brown has been the better player at his "respective position"
and injury issues aside... the comparison isn't even close.
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dream_team
Hall of Fame
Just my opinion, I know most may not agree. Now I didn't say he IS the best, but he has proven to me he CAN be if he wanted to. He has all the measurables, athleticism, and talent to do it.
noxiousdog
Rookie
Yeah, where your post fails is where you claim Mario is a better player at his "respective position", when he clearly isn't. There is nothing that you can post which will suggest that claim you made is even true. Duane Brown has been the better player at his "respective position"
Right. Mario has been to 2 pro-bowls and 3 all-pro teams (2 firsts, 1 second) and was made the highest paid defensive player in football.
It's not close by any standard.
I can see letting him go, but can we please stop pretending he's just 'better than average'
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Right... and he's barely cracked the top 10 in yearly sack totals during the same time that Duane has been in the league.
And can we please stop ignoring the fact that we have a LT who's actually playing at at a elite level. Spare me the pro bowl nominations, lol like that proves Mario has been a better player than Duane Brown
Are you trying to say that being voted to pro bowls is some way of saying a player is really good? That's a hoot. The pro bowl is nothing but a popularity contest. Guys having suck seasons go every single year based on name recognition.
What has MW shown you that makes you think he's well above average at his position?
Why not go ahead and list who you think are the best DE's in the league and post their 6 year stats on here? You'll be surprised at how far MW is from being elite at his position.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
If you ask other NFL players who the best DE in that game is right now, majority of them will say Julius Peppers. This was evident in the NFL Network's Top 100 player list. So why don't we compare their stats, since that's how you measure "better players".
Mario Williams
0.65 sacks/game
2.34 tackles/game
Julius Peppers
0.66 sacks/game
2.54 tackles/game
The stats seem to be pretty close.
NastyNate
I go kerplunk
You are all delusional. Name the last game/person Duane Brown surrendered a sack against... Okay I'm still waiting... Okay still waiting... that's what I thought. 600+ pass attempts strong and not a single sack surrendered, you're all drunk. Duane Brown is the real deal, would make Mario a non-factor for 60 minutes no problem.
A freak athlete does not an elite passrusher make. How many freak athletes have we all seen utterly fail as a football player? The fact that MW has been above average as a DE shows just how exceptional an athlete he really is and how bad his football IQ/talent is.
Señor Stan
El Guapo
ahem...I believe the correct medical term is "torn boobie muscle"...I'm sure CnD can back me up on this.
Add the fact that we played what? 6 of 2011's top ten defenses? Duane Brown ain't chopped liver.
At the same time, Mario ain't the punk many around here would have you believe. Mario may sack Tj Yates (or whoever our QB will be for the game) twice.... Texans may still win & we'll say Brown owned.
Mario may force three fumbles & return one for a TD, but with no sacks, we'll say Brown owned.
Mario may shut off the run game to his side, Texans still win & we'll say Brown owned.
This is a Texans' board, so if we're going to go by popular opinion at the end of the game, I'm going to say with certainty, that Duane Brown will win the "battle"
Butt (I hear Dreadhead likes those things) I know I'm going to be watching a hell of a game for this matchup alone. Best against the best, the way it's supposed to be.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Señor Stan;1920551 said:
Doc, any thoughts?
noxiousdog
Rookie
Nice to ignore all-pro (which isn't a popularity contest) and the rest of the NFLs interest that caused the Bills to make him the highest paid defensive player.
I would be shocked if Duane Brown will be made the highest paid left tackle, and not just because he takes less to stay here.
Don't forget top 100 player.
There are 32 teams in the NFL, 53 men on each roster. For a total of 1,696 players. Mario is considered by many to be in the top 5%
That looks something like elite to me.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
2 All-pros. 2007 & 2008. Since his first all-pro season 2007's 14 sacks (12 in 2008), his numbers have steadily declined every year.
The Bills stepped completely outside their minds paying an oft injured player that kind of money.
Carlos Lee thinks Mario's deal is ridiculous!
You make good points.
We've got this other guy on our team who accumulated 1,575 receiving yards in 2008. Since then, it's been a steady decline. 1,569 in 2009, 1,216 in 2010m & a mere 492 yards in 2011. This guy has missed significant time over the last two years; 3 games in 2010, & 9 games in 2011 (maybe that's why his numbers have declined, but I can't put two & two together, so I don't know).....
the guy is a shadow of his former self. Declining production & can't stay on the field. Every time he runs down the field or catches the ball, I cringe with what might happen.
We should maximize his value right now & trade him away.
Thanks for showing me the light Bill.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
We're not. We're talking about how our two tackles will destroy an over-paid, often injured defensive end.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Bills are going to a have a pretty stout D-Line this season. I hope Wade doesn't dismiss Mario as much as the Texans Talk faithful seems to be.