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Old 03-18-2012   #21
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This depends on if Mario feels like playing or not.
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No worries!! By the time we face the Bills, Mario will be hampered by Plantar Fasciitis, a sports hernia, maybe pectoral issues.......... or Something! So no matter where Mario lines up, our tackles say:

"We got this!"
LOL, was about to write that Mario would be on the IR by the time we play the bills
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Simple question who wins this battle, Duane Brown or Mario Williams?
Simple question back at ya, who picks a username with so many random capital letters?

Oh and Brown, 99/100, but then Mario will idolized as a bronzed god for that one time.
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Mario you ain't lining up against Dallas Clark. Clubber Lang will knock you inta tumorah Rock, he'll knock you inta tumorah!!!
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This depends on if Mario feels like playing or not.
Exactly... and Mario will of course want to rub it in against his old team. Especially if the rumors are true that the Texans didn't even make him an offer.

IMO, a motivated Mario is the best DE in the game.

So I vote Mario.
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Not value wise, i meant as far as them lining up agaisnt each other. Who is more likely to dominate the other?
I answered your question. Mario is better at his respective position. Though if you want to get technical, in pretty much every single situation a tackle is going to stop the opposing defensive end from getting a pressure, hurry and/or sack on the majority of possessions in a game, so Duane would win more battles than not.
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the match-up i'm afraid of, if left one-on-one, is dareus against caldwell.
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Exactly... and Mario will of course want to rub it in against his old team. Especially if the rumors are true that the Texans didn't even make him an offer.

IMO, a motivated Mario is the best DE in the game.

So I vote Mario.
Which game are you talking about? The NFL, the Bills vs Texans, ping pong?
I can name a handful of better DE's off the top of my head. MW is above average, but far from elite at the position.
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I answered your question. Mario is better at his respective position. Though if you want to get technical, in pretty much every single situation a tackle is going to stop the opposing defensive end from getting a pressure, hurry and/or sack on the majority of possessions in a game, so Duane would win more battles than not.
Yeah, where your post fails is where you claim Mario is a better player at his "respective position", when he clearly isn't. There is nothing that you can post which will suggest that claim you made is even true. Duane Brown has been the better player at his "respective position" and injury issues aside... the comparison isn't even close.

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Which game are you talking about? The NFL, the Bills vs Texans, ping pong?
I can name a handful of better DE's off the top of my head. MW is above average, but far from elite at the position.
Just my opinion, I know most may not agree. Now I didn't say he IS the best, but he has proven to me he CAN be if he wanted to. He has all the measurables, athleticism, and talent to do it.
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Yeah, where your post fails is where you claim Mario is a better player at his "respective position", when he clearly isn't. There is nothing that you can post which will suggest that claim you made is even true. Duane Brown has been the better player at his "respective position" and injury issues aside... the comparison isn't even close.
Right. Mario has been to 2 pro-bowls and 3 all-pro teams (2 firsts, 1 second) and was made the highest paid defensive player in football.

It's not close by any standard.

I can see letting him go, but can we please stop pretending he's just 'better than average'
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yeah does not matter Mario will be injured by the time we play the bills even if its in wk 2 LOL

But yea Butler would IMO have a hard time with mario so i would hope its Butler + TE or RB Help
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Right. Mario has been to 2 pro-bowls and 3 all-pro teams (2 firsts, 1 second) and was made the highest paid defensive player in football.

It's not close by any standard.

I can see letting him go, but can we pleasye stop pretending he's just 'better than average'
Right... and he's barely cracked the top 10 in yearly sack totals during the same time that Duane has been in the league. And can we please stop ignoring the fact that we have a LT who's actually playing at at a elite level. Spare me the pro bowl nominations, lol like that proves Mario has been a better player than Duane Brown
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Right. Mario has been to 2 pro-bowls and 3 all-pro teams (2 firsts, 1 second) and was made the highest paid defensive player in football.

It's not close by any standard.

I can see letting him go, but can we please stop pretending he's just 'better than average'
Are you trying to say that being voted to pro bowls is some way of saying a player is really good? That's a hoot. The pro bowl is nothing but a popularity contest. Guys having suck seasons go every single year based on name recognition.

What has MW shown you that makes you think he's well above average at his position?
Why not go ahead and list who you think are the best DE's in the league and post their 6 year stats on here? You'll be surprised at how far MW is from being elite at his position.
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Are you trying to say that being voted to pro bowls is some way of saying a player is really good? That's a hoot. The pro bowl is nothing but a popularity contest. Guys having suck seasons go every single year based on name recognition.

What has MW shown you that makes you think he's well above average at his position?
Why not go ahead and list who you think are the best DE's in the league and post their 6 year stats on here? You'll be surprised at how far MW is from being elite at his position.
If you ask other NFL players who the best DE in that game is right now, majority of them will say Julius Peppers. This was evident in the NFL Network's Top 100 player list. So why don't we compare their stats, since that's how you measure "better players".

Mario Williams
0.65 sacks/game
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Julius Peppers
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The stats seem to be pretty close.
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If you ask other NFL players who the best DE in that game is right now, majority of them will say Julius Peppers. This was evident in the NFL Network's Top 100 player list. So why don't we compare their stats, since that's how you measure "better players".

Mario Williams
0.65 sacks/game
2.34 tackles/game

Julius Peppers
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The stats seem to be pretty close.
I posted the 6 year stats for MW, Freeney, Peppers, Allen and Ware in another thread. MW is FAR behind the other 4 in the 1st 6 years in the league. Peppers doesn't have a lot of sacks, but compare him in other areas.
MW
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What does this question even mean? What's the context?

One snap until whistle is blown dead, winner takes all? Then either can come out of it on top.

Through the course of an entire game? I think Brown could hold his own, Mario will get by him a couple of times and get a sack or two, but not enough for us to seriously worry.
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Bills have already said they're going to utilize Mario as a LE. That means he's going to be going up against Butler...and he's going to own that battle.
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Exactly... and Mario will of course want to rub it in against his old team. Especially if the rumors are true that the Texans didn't even make him an offer.

IMO, a motivated Mario is the best DE in the game.

So I vote Mario.
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yeah does not matter Mario will be injured by the time we play the bills even if its in wk 2 LOL

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You are all delusional. Name the last game/person Duane Brown surrendered a sack against... Okay I'm still waiting... Okay still waiting... that's what I thought. 600+ pass attempts strong and not a single sack surrendered, you're all drunk. Duane Brown is the real deal, would make Mario a non-factor for 60 minutes no problem.
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i'm with nate. mario's a freak athlete and i petitioned pretty hard to keep him, but duane has grown exponentially each season and is abusing the best pass rushers in the game. mario would give duane more trouble than most because of his strength, but duane would win this matchup.
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i'm with nate. mario's a freak athlete and i petitioned pretty hard to keep him, but duane has grown exponentially each season and is abusing the best pass rushers in the game. mario would give duane more trouble than most because of his strength, but duane would win this matchup.
A freak athlete does not an elite passrusher make. How many freak athletes have we all seen utterly fail as a football player? The fact that MW has been above average as a DE shows just how exceptional an athlete he really is and how bad his football IQ/talent is.
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