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Old 03-18-2012   #61
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He asked for two DEs who elevated their team all by their lonesome. You added two great DEs who were parts of great teams.

You did not name a DE with poor safeties, & corners or who had problems getting pressure up the middle. & like Infantrycak said, the Buffalo Bills got to the Super Bowl 4 times on the strength of their offense, not their defense (which gave up 38 points to a Houston team in one half of football & 'cak mentioned that defense giving up 52 to another team).
You don't get to 4 straight SBs without good defensive play... who cares if they got their doors blown off once they got there and who cares if the Oilers ran up and down the field for one half of football... it's just one half of one game.

He asked me to list some DEs and I did. The Packers sucked for decades, before Favre and before Reggie White signed with that team... they do not win a SB without Reggie White signing with that team.. he ELEVATED that team to a SB and even when he was in Philadelphia he was also the heart and soul of that team. All you're doing is nitpicking small stuff.

And yes I listed two great DEs, are great DEs not allowed in this discussion or something? Mario Williams is now the highest paid defender in NFL history.... He's paid to be a great DE, so I think it's fair to hold him to that standard... a standard that he doesn't measure up to at the current moment.
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I honestly think Barwin will have more sacks. Mario will more than likely get injured at some point in the season which will limit his production. Barwin also plays in a system that facilitates sacks. Mario if he can stay healthy should be good and he has a very good d-line to help him, but I just don't see it happening for him.
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How could he have handled it any differently. They made him an offer , he took a significantly better offer .... Had then gone any higher , they would have really been in a bind next season when multiple starters become UFA's.


I believe Smith made his best offer from the get go .... knowing he couldnt go higher and that even this offer would make life difficult going forward should it be accepted.

What better way to handle the situation than to get it out of the way one way or another and move on to the next thing on the agenda?

There was a time, when I believed it went down just like you said & I was proud of our GM. Then after the Mario tweet, I really don't know what to think.

Did they not make an offer, like Mario insinuated? Did they offer the $12M a year & Mario thought it a non-offer? Did they offer $14M a year, putting their best foot forward, but did not attempt to match the Bills $16/yr & thus Mario considers that a non-offer?

I don't know. I'd like to think it was the last case, but I don't know.

So you're right, perhaps I shouldn't say "I don't think they handled it correctly" but rather say, "I don't know."
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Buffalo has their work cut out for them

If I read correctly they had 29 sacks last year as a team and 10 of those came in one game

All I know is Barwin should have more Texan sacks than mario two years in a row
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Buffalo has their work cut out for them

If I read correctly they had 29 sacks last year as a team and 10 of those came in one game

All I know is Barwin should have more Texan sacks than mario two years in a row
How many sacks did the Houston Texans have in 2010?


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how many sacks did the houston texans have in 2010?


2010 - 30
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Buffalo has their work cut out for them

If I read correctly they had 29 sacks last year as a team and 10 of those came in one game

How many sacks did the Houston Texans have in 2010?



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I'm not gonna vote because it really doesn't matter to me who has more sacks.

What matters to me is the "D's" overall production. What matters to m is the value of Barwin / Reed over Super(rich) Mario.

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I like Mario and really wish the Texans could've resigned him. That said, if Buffalo is willing to overspend and I mean REALLY overspend for him, so be it... Good luck Mario. It's all about winning, no?
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Did you forget the little kitty, or did you miss the sarcasm?
No, I got it, but I wanted to see what someone might say if I put the actual numbers right out there. I was sort of doing what I think you were doing. I don't use the emoticon thingies much, but I guess maybe I should have posted the kitty, too?
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I honestly think Barwin will have more sacks. Mario will more than likely get injured at some point in the season which will limit his production. Barwin also plays in a system that facilitates sacks. Mario if he can stay healthy should be good and he has a very good d-line to help him, but I just don't see it happening for him.
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I like the way people say mario didn't elevate his teammates, but allen elevated minny defense to the bottom of the league.what about ware elevating dallas defense to the bottom half too. In fact, ware has been a monster, and their defense has sucked since greg ellis left. The only guys who can elevate a team is the qb. I watched the philly vs dallas when ware had 4 sacks and he was a non factor in the game.Why? The other players not playing well, philly scored like 40 on dallas. The ravens defense played well when lewis was out. We've also seen ray lewis urging mgmt to get some big bodies in front of him so he can be clean. Everyone remembers that game against kc when he was on skates.

Here is what I'm getting at,pressure leads to picks, coverage leads to sacks. If your lbs and dbs can't close windows in coverage, your pass rush will never get there. They're not coverage sacks, but you have to make the qb reset his feet and come off his 1st 2 reads. By the same token, if you don't stop the run and pressure the qb, your backend won't get any chance to get their hands on the ball. Everything links up to each other.
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Barwin will lead the league.
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Barwin will lead the league.
I will go out on a limb and say that now that he knows he is the starter, Brooks Reed will make a run at the sack record. Watch.
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I will go out on a limb and say that now that he knows he is the starter, Brooks Reed will make a run at the sack record. Watch.
I'll have what [s]he's having.

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Heard this morning that Mario's contract is heavily laden with injury clauses. So don't be surprised if Mario doesn't earn more than 20 million of that contract. The 50 million that was reported "GUARANTEED" has injury clauses in it. I guess it's "guaranteed" only if he stays healthy.

Has anyone else heard this?
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I think Watt vs. Mario would be a better question.


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I'm good with Mario leaving the team, but I'm no fool to think Barwin will lead the league in sacks. He's just not that kind of athlete.

Not that I think Mario will lead the league in sacks, just saying I'm sure there will be plenty of players who will have more sacks than Barwin.

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Even though this scheme will lift Barwin above his own ability, he is no Demarcus Ware, no Shawn Merriman.

Watt is going to have to be our primary hell raiser, Barwin, Smith, & Reed are merely role players.

Yep. And if our previous QB would have had a decent Oline and receivers he would have made the pro-bowl.


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Yep. And if our previous QB would have had a decent Oline and receivers he would have made the pro-bowl.


I understand the conjecture, but Mario has made it to the Pro Bowl twice, with little help. Mario has had double digit sacks.. with little help on the line, or in the secondary.

The only thing that has stopped Mario from getting double digit sacks has been his health. Not crawling up into the fetal position or repeatedly running out of bounds behind the LOS.

So there is a difference.

Same with the Haynesworth comparison. Haynseworth hadn't done squat until his "contract" year. He got paid, & didn't do squat from then on.

Mario just became the highest paid defensive player in the history of the league after two back-to-back seasons where he ended on IR.

David Carr is a back-up to one of the most durable QBs in the NFL.

The league knows what Mario can bring to a team.
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I understand the conjecture, but Mario has made it to the Pro Bowl twice, with little help. Mario has had double digit sacks.. with little help on the line, or in the secondary.
Yup.. His second and third years. Hasn't been to a Pro-Bowl or had double digit sacks, since.
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I wish we coulda kept MW ..... but not at that pricetag.

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