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Old 03-17-2012   #21
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He's a selfish, cancerous, one-dimensional primadonna.
Yep!!! He also does not like to get hit. No like go over middle. Ask eagle fans. Probably avoided contact last year because he did not have a deal. Not an Arian Foster type of guy.
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The more I think about it.. the more I think the FO will skip drafting or signing a WR and just roll with what we have.

Really hope that doesn't happen
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The more I think about it.. the more I think the FO will skip drafting or signing a WR and just roll with what we have.

Really hope that doesn't happen
Smith and Kubiak both stated at the combine that WR was on our to-do list for the offseason. I don't know if we'd take a WR not named Floyd at #26, but you can bet on the fact that we'll pick one up one way or another.
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Well, the Chargers, Rams, Jaguars, Bengals, Browns, and Dolphins could all be looking WR round 1. The Cardinals could take Floyd at 13, especially after all the mediocre talent they've accrued for their OLine.
Wouldn't shock me if the Titans picked up a falling WR before we could
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Yep!!! He also does not like to get hit. No like go over middle. Ask eagle fans. Probably avoided contact last year because he did not have a deal. Not an Arian Foster type of guy.
Jackson is listed at 5'10 175. Do you expect a guy at his size that just loves going over the middle?! Even then that's not his game mostly. He's a legit downfield threat who can make people miss in the open field. If he is goin g over the middle its usually some sort of slip screen where he is capable of taking it into th end zone.

He's also a factor in the punt return game.
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Jackson is listed at 5'10 175. Do you expect a guy at his size that just loves going over the middle?! Even then that's not his game mostly. He's a legit downfield threat who can make people miss in the open field. If he is goin g over the middle its usually some sort of slip screen where he is capable of taking it into th end zone.

He's also a factor in the punt return game.
Ernest Givens and Drew Hill made quite a living going over the middle in the chuck and duck in the 80's and 90's. I'm not knocking Jackson or anything. The guy's a threat every time he touches the football.
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Jackson is listed at 5'10 175. Do you expect a guy at his size that just loves going over the middle?! Even then that's not his game mostly. He's a legit downfield threat who can make people miss in the open field. If he is goin g over the middle its usually some sort of slip screen where he is capable of taking it into th end zone.

He's also a factor in the punt return game.
Jackson is a great vertical threat and punt returner with great YAC ability. He is also a selfish prick who played not to get hurt last year. I don't expect or think he should go over the middle like my favorite insane commentator, Michael Irvin. However, this guy really avoided contact last year and not just a little bit. There is one play where the ball is intercepted and he sees that he is going to encounter minimal contact and just falls down. One of the weakest plays I have ever seen. I would pay him 6 or 7 million a year but he is no Mike Wallace or Dwayne Bowe. This guy makes more that Arian Foster. Who is the better football player? Who played scared and who played with heart with no contract extension? I would not pay 10 million to a selfish, plays not to get hurt player ever period.
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Floyd doesn't play as fast as he was timed. I've watched a lot of him and he's nothing special. 11 ypc in college where guys run butt naked doesn't do it for me. Before anyone talks about his lack of qb,look at jeffery and his qb,yet he was at least 15ypc this year and 17 last yr. Don't even get me started on randle who is the sloppiest route runner in the draft. Again he didn't produce either.
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There has been some retarded contracts handed out to some of these WR's I think the worst was 42 million to Garcon.
^^^^ This.

Better them than us. 42M for Garcon. Sheesh.

This is a case study in how inflation works.
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Yep!!! He also does not like to get hit. No like go over middle. Ask eagle fans. Probably avoided contact last year because he did not have a deal. Not an Arian Foster type of guy.
If I were DeJack last year, I'd have been walking around with that same attitude. My team gives out fat contracts like they're going out of style, and they can't offer me a new deal? Especially after having 2 years of 1k+ receiving yds?

These days, I wouldn't blame any receiver for refusing to go across the middle, or getting antsy and dropping balls because they're trying to protect themselves. Money's good, but this is just a game, and it's not worth adding even more risk of career-ending injuries (yes, it can happen at any time, on any play, that's the game; doesn't mean you have to increase the chances while on the field)
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What do you mean these days you don't blame them, there are more rules in place today as opposed to the none they had ten years ago about receivers catching the ball. And as for dropping balls.. these guys get paid millions of dollars to catch balls and take hits, you think they shouldn't do there job so they don't get hurt? Try telling that to any of the other millions of people employed at jobs making under 50k a year doing any kind of physical labor. I am laughing right now about the idea of leaving water jugs at the start of peoples driveways and sidewalks instead of their front door because I was worried about the wear and tear on my body.

Anyways, sorry about going off on a wild tangent here but hearing that kind of crap from people annoys me.
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He's a selfish, cancerous, one-dimensional primadonna.
He's like a poor, homeless, crack addicts version of Randy Moss.
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He's like a poor, homeless, crack addicts version of Randy Moss.
Not even close to the level of talent Moss had in his prime.


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Jackson is a great vertical threat and punt returner with great YAC ability. He is also a selfish prick who played not to get hurt last year. I don't expect or think he should go over the middle like my favorite insane commentator, Michael Irvin. However, this guy really avoided contact last year and not just a little bit. There is one play where the ball is intercepted and he sees that he is going to encounter minimal contact and just falls down. One of the weakest plays I have ever seen. I would pay him 6 or 7 million a year but he is no Mike Wallace or Dwayne Bowe. This guy makes more that Arian Foster. Who is the better football player? Who played scared and who played with heart with no contract extension? I would not pay 10 million to a selfish, plays not to get hurt player ever period.
Honestly, I'm looking at what we have behind AJ and a player that is much reliable than Jones will ever be. I also think the Texans locker room is MUCH different than the Eagles and playing opposite of a guy like AJ and the example he makes would make a difference.

I would've loved to see him in steel blue or battle red.
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I would say Wright > Walter = Wright Day 1 Starter. Wright is a first round draft pick.
This will probably fire up the pro-Kendall Wright crowd, but I see a lot of Troy Edwards in Wright. Big time college WR who made plays all over the field, but couldn't translate that success to the NFL. Edwards had difficulty getting off the line in press coverage and didn't have the 2nd gear to separate deep. A slot receiver, at best. That's basically how I see Wright.

Having said that, I think Wright could be a very good slot receiver in the right system, like with the Patriots. If he gets free release into the secondary, Wright can get open on crossing routes and make some stuff happen after the catch. But that skill doesn't match up with what teams look for in the 1st round.
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And I'm sure there were quite a few Texans fans upset because Smithiak didn't have every free agent in Houston on Tuesday afternoon so we could waste our money on them. Washington spends more than any other team every year. What's it gotten them?

The draft is there for a reason. You lose a few players each year and you replace them with cheaper draft picks. It's happened every year we've been around. The only difference is we've finally got players other teams want.
Funny how when the Texans spent the $$$$ on top tier FA's last yr they made the playoffs for the 1st time in a decade.

While I agree with your premise on draft>FA. It realy takes a combination of the draft/FA to be successful in todays NFL.

Instead of using the Redskins as the model. (Buying fully into Billionaire BoBBy) Look at the Pats/Jets/Philly/Saints as teams that make the playoffs consistently that add to their team through the draft/FA.

The team that we are the closest model to is the 49ers. Build thru the draft, then add in FA and make the playoffs despite avg/below avg QB play.
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Floyd doesn't play as fast as he was timed. I've watched a lot of him and he's nothing special. 11 ypc in college where guys run butt naked doesn't do it for me. Before anyone talks about his lack of qb,look at jeffery and his qb,yet he was at least 15ypc this year and 17 last yr. Don't even get me started on randle who is the sloppiest route runner in the draft. Again he didn't produce either.
When Floyd had Golden Tate with him his YPC was very high.(Dont feel like looking it up.) From his freshman yr when I 1st saw Floyd, I thought that guy looks like he's a pro WR. That's how I judge 1st rd WR talent. The Texans would be extremely lucky if Floyd fell to 26. They should sprint to (God Goodell) with their card.

I feel the same about Jeffery, except he got lazy between his Jr/Sr yrs. If you want a big WR with great hands/Red Zone target Jeffery is your guy. With pro coaching and a little dedication Jeffery could be the best WR in this draft.

Randle- If you had the dynamic duo of Jefferson/Lee throwing you the ball you would look like you ran terrible routes too. Those guys flat out couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
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What do you mean these days you don't blame them, there are more rules in place today as opposed to the none they had ten years ago about receivers catching the ball. And as for dropping balls.. these guys get paid millions of dollars to catch balls and take hits, you think they shouldn't do there job so they don't get hurt? Try telling that to any of the other millions of people employed at jobs making under 50k a year doing any kind of physical labor. I am laughing right now about the idea of leaving water jugs at the start of peoples driveways and sidewalks instead of their front door because I was worried about the wear and tear on my body.

Anyways, sorry about going off on a wild tangent here but hearing that kind of crap from people annoys me.
The game has changed in the last ten years because it's had to compensate for the change in athleticism. People that tend to forget, or worse conveniently overlook, that always annoy me.

There's a difference between dealing with wear and tear, and doing what you have to do to protect yourself. If your job is to haul water jugs, and you're going up a set of stairs with one, and you start to fall backwards, I'd fully expect you to drop the jug and do what you need to, in order to not risk becoming severly injured. Evidently, in your mind, you'd fall down the stairs while trying to keep the water jug safe, regardless of the risk involved.
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Yep!!! He also does not like to get hit. No like go over middle. Ask eagle fans. Probably avoided contact last year because he did not have a deal. Not an Arian Foster type of guy.
Yep, ever since Dunta almost killed Jackson on a crossing route 2 yrs ago. Jackson avoids contact like the plague. Cant say I wouldn't have done the same in a contract yr.
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Yep, ever since Dunta almost killed Jackson on a crossing route 2 yrs ago. Jackson avoids contact like the plague. Cant say I wouldn't have done the same in a contract yr.
Exactly, you have watched him play. Arian Foster was in the same type of situation, vastly underpaid but Arian acted a LITTLE different on and off the field.
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I would say Wright > Walter = Wright Day 1 Starter. Wright is a first round draft pick.
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This will probably fire up the pro-Kendall Wright crowd, but I see a lot of Troy Edwards in Wright. Big time college WR who made plays all over the field, but couldn't translate that success to the NFL. Edwards had difficulty getting off the line in press coverage and didn't have the 2nd gear to separate deep. A slot receiver, at best. That's basically how I see Wright.

Having said that, I think Wright could be a very good slot receiver in the right system, like with the Patriots. If he gets free release into the secondary, Wright can get open on crossing routes and make some stuff happen after the catch. But that skill doesn't match up with what teams look for in the 1st round.
Very very good comparison Lucky, and you might very well be right. Lord knows I have been wrong before. This draft is a crap shoot. I wanted Revis over Okoye but last year I wanted Cam Jordan and Old Miss Texan wanted J.J. Watt. I would tell him Jordan has experience in the 3-4 and Watt is making a bunch of ankle tackles while Jordan is driving QBs into the ground. My man would say yea but Watt has more upside and will be the better player. It looks like I was just a little wrong on that one . Concerning Wright, he played slot his junior year if I remember correctly and was good but not great. When put on the outside as a senior he had his breakout season. This is how I see it, Dre will get double teamed and the strong safety will have one eye on Arian Foster, especially with the play action. This is the perfect recipe a for a guy with Wrights skill set. If he makes his guy miss watch out, thank you, bye bye. I sure hope I am correct in my evaluation but you never know, especially with a WR, until he gets on the field. Good take man.
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