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Old 03-16-2012   #21
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and now he has let this cap go straight to hell obviously.
we have no idea what the cap is at right now. every report is conflicting. Just wait and see what happens.
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Because no team is going to trade anything substantial for a player on the final year of his contract when there is no guarantee he will re-sign with that team. Because trading players in the final year of their deal to a team they don't want to go to is bad business and doesn't help attract free agents to your team if you don't treat your players right that work hard for you.
According to you ha??

You trade a guy somewhere where he wants to go. You do your best to make something happen by presenting ideas until you can find something that works.

Anything would have been better than doing nothing. Mario had question marks about him going into last season any way as to whether or not if he could play in Wade's system.

To say that it would have been impossible to trade Mario is completely wrong.

Difficult due to the contract situation?? Yes, I agree, but impossible and unfeasible?? Not at all.
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You trade a guy somewhere where he wants to go. You do your best to make something happen by presenting ideas until you can find something that works.
If you only trade him where he wants to go you have no leverage. This isn't basketball, this is football. There is a reason there are hardly any trades in the final year of players contracts or at the trade deadline.
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Which is THE PROBLEM!!

That's his JOB!


That's what a GM is supposed to do is to manage the cap situation and have his financial experts crunch the numbers constantly. You're supposed to plan ahead, scheme for the future, and problem solve with your cap situation at all times. This guy has never been good at acquiring players around the league and selling this franchise to free agents, and now he has let this cap go straight to hell obviously.
Yep, if he lets all of our UFA hit the market again in 2013 I will loose all faith in Rick Smith.
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we have no idea what the cap is at right now. every report is conflicting. Just wait and see what happens.
Rick Smith has been an amatuer GM since he got here. Things haven't changed, and if you think that the Texans may have this huge surprise brewing that is going to make this drastic impact that makes them look like these magical deal makers under the microscope, you're kidding yourself. Rick Smith has never done anything to warrant that kind of confidence.

There are way to many holes on this team now for us to just fix them easily. At first, it was just a #2 WR, CB, and a S. Hell, now we can't even focus on any of that, because we've potentially got a broken O line again.
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Did you just compare a superbowl winning GM to Rick Smith?
Actually, Newsome didn't become Ravens GM until the 2002 season, two seasons removed from their Super Bowl victory. What I'm comparing is the opportunity to prove himself, as Newsome has done. The Ravens were in cap hell in 2002, yet bounced back nicely thanks to Ozzie's stewardship.
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Rick Smith has been an amatuer GM since he got here. Things haven't changed, and if you think that the Texans may have this huge surprise brewing that is going to make this drastic impact that makes them look like these magical deal makers under the microscope, you're kidding yourself.
I don't think there is a huge surprise brewing and I hope there isn't. The front office is making tough decisions about who to keep and not tie up the franchise locking up players now instead of looking ahead.
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we have no idea what the cap is at right now. every report is conflicting. Just wait and see what happens.
Winston, Brisiel, soon to be Myers, Mario, Vickers.

Loosing 3 of 5 starting linemen are bad mmmmkay?
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If you only trade him where he wants to go you have no leverage. This isn't basketball, this is football. There is a reason there are hardly any trades in the final year of players contracts or at the trade deadline.
Your entire basis that we couldn't have traded him is because you say so. Sorry, but it's just lip service for Rick Smith here. Mario was a valuable commodity. The fact that he's the highest paid player in the entire league in NFL history proves that beyond a doubt. And yes, teams will trade to get "one year rentals" at times. And yes, the Texans could have traded Mario to a team that potentially could have extended him especially if they had some decent assets to deal with.

For the last two years, I've been constantly mentioning the Patriots over and over, because they've desperately needed an upgrade at DE since letting go of Seymour, and every off season they have an abundance of picks. That's just one suitor right there.

A trade where Houston got the smaller end of the deal would still be better than walking away with nothing.

You seem to forget that the cap is horrible right now, so there is no way in hell that our team's management shouldn't have realized that signing Mario was going to be "unfeasible" by this year's off season. DALE MURPHY TALKED ABOUT IT AND WARNED EVERY FAN ON THIS SITE FOR OVER A YEAR, and everyone that threw jabs at him for pointing out the obvious now have pie on their face.
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Winston, Brisiel, soon to be Myers, Mario, Vickers.

Loosing 3 of 5 starting linemen are bad mmmmkay?
I am not going to comment on Myers because nothing has happened yet, but would you rather lose Winston and Brisiel, or Duane Brown? I would rather have Brown.
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I am not going to comment on Myers because nothing has happened yet, but would you rather lose Winston and Brisiel, or Duane Brown? I would rather have Brown.
Same.

No one knows what the cap is and what the Texans plans are. We can't judge Smith's 2012 season right now based on not even a week of Free Agency.

If we could then I guess the Eagles had the best FA last year, everyone crowned them kings at the time and it didn't work out like that.
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Your entire basis that we couldn't have traded him is because you say so.
How is that different from saying that Williams could have been traded? No, carrying a $17 million cap hit is pretty hard to deal with in a trade. And why would Mario want to give up a shot at free agency? Like it or not, there were real reasons that kept Williams from being dealt in the abbreviated 2011 offseason. Not the least of was that the Texans were trying to get to the playoffs for the 1st time in team history.
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I am not going to comment on Myers because nothing has happened yet, but would you rather lose Winston and Brisiel, or Duane Brown? I would rather have Brown.
Barring horrendous play or serious injury Barwin and Brown better be locked up before free agency starts next year, NO EXCUSES.
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Your entire basis that we couldn't have traded him is because you say so.

For the last two years, I've been constantly mentioning the Patriots over and over, because they've desperately needed an upgrade at DE since letting go of Seymour, and every off season they have an abundance of picks. That's just one suitor right there.
Your entire basis for trading him and getting something valuable in return is because YOU so say so. Please offer some examples of players of Mario's caliber that were traded in the final year of their contract for substantial returns.
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Actually, Newsome didn't become Ravens GM until the 2002 season, two seasons removed from their Super Bowl victory. What I'm comparing is the opportunity to prove himself, as Newsome has done. The Ravens were in cap hell in 2002, yet bounced back nicely thanks to Ozzie's stewardship.
I thought that he was there in when they won. Guess not. But even so Newsome did not put them in cap hell, Smith did.

Also IMO if you haven't proven yourself after six years of being on the job what you get is what you have.
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If we could then I guess the Eagles had the best FA last year, everyone crowned them kings at the time and it didn't work out like that.
Exactly. Let's see our new offensive line in action before we throw stones.
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Rick Smith has been an amatuer GM since he got here. Things haven't changed, and if you think that the Texans may have this huge surprise brewing that is going to make this drastic impact that makes them look like these magical deal makers under the microscope, you're kidding yourself. Rick Smith has never done anything to warrant that kind of confidence.

There are way to many holes on this team now for us to just fix them easily. At first, it was just a #2 WR, CB, and a S. Hell, now we can't even focus on any of that, because we've potentially got a broken O line again.
Did you miss last year?

Texans drafted JJ Watt and Brooks Reed, not only that signed JJo after giving up on the Nnamdi sweepstakes and then Manning.

Our needs are not set yet but Safety is not a need, it may be a want. Quinn and Manning did just fine last season. Oh and so did our #2 CBs, Texans had one of the best passing defense of all teams last season.

I think our needs will be interior linemen because of the loss of Briesel and still #2 WR and the FA has not played out yet and it will take some time compared to last year which was a accelerated FA period.
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Your entire basis for trading him and getting something valuable in return is because YOU so say so. Please offer some examples of players of Mario's caliber that were traded in the final year of their contract for substantial returns.
Wasn't Herschel Walker and Jared Allen both traded in their final years?
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Exactly. Let's see our new offensive line in action before we throw stones.
Exactly what I was hoping for. Going from having the best Oline in the league to "Hey guys they just need time to gel."

I know who you are, you are Matt Schaub's doctor and you are hoping to put in a new pool for next summer aren't you?
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How is that different from saying that Williams could have been traded? No, carrying a $17 million cap hit is pretty hard to deal with in a trade. And why would Mario want to give up a shot at free agency? Like it or not, there were real reasons that kept Williams from being dealt in the abbreviated 2011 offseason. Not the least of was that the Texans were trying to get to the playoffs for the 1st time in team history.
Look, my entire reason for this thread is not about Mario. Mario is just one sticking point. The fact is that management should have known that Mario was a goner after last season though when you consider how bad our cap situation is right now, and how much money he just got. Keeping him last season was the same thing as another team trading for him for a one year rental. You're telling me that there wouldn't have been some teams that might have tried to offer something for Mario even for a one year rental?? Sorry, but I'm not buying that.

I don't see how you could excuse Rick Smith with what is going on right now. We were supposed to be trying to get those final pieces to really contend next season. We were finally so close. Hell, you've been very critical of Smithiak for years in here Lucky, so I don't see how one year of success can make your confidence grow so much in Rick Smith man. Remember, it was Wade that slid in here and finally "convinced" Smithiak to go out and get players in free agency to fill holes. Before that, these guys wouldn't do anything hardly. Before that, it was always that same old tired line of "we're building through the draft." They are letting this team go right back to having a ton of holes to fill man. Have you forgotten that we're 47-49 under Smithiak all together?? Seeing the way that this off season is unfolding and melting away for us man, it just reaks of that same "average" mentality that Smithiak has brought here.
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