Compensatory picks

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by Lucky

No, the earliest compensatory selections occur between the 3rd and 4th rounds.

Follow-up query:

Is there a limit to how many comp picks that are handed out; overall and per round?

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

Follow-up query:

Is there a limit to how many comp picks that are handed out; overall and per round?

Overall (league wide) there will be 32 compensation picks handed out. If there are not 32 picks allocated to compensate for lost free agents, the remaining will be given to the teams with the worst records/highest draft positions at the end of the 7th round. The Texans have received a few picks due to this circumstance.

An individual team is allowed a maximum of 4 compensatory selections. Even if the Texans were +5 in lost qualifying free agents (Mario, Briesel, Allen, Dreessen, Rackers lost while signing none), the Texans would only receive 4 picks.

There is not a maximum number of picks per round. What round the pick is awarded is determined by some formula involving the player's contract and performance that is only known by the league and some math whiz that once posted on the kffl forum. Even the teams themselves don't know the formula.

[ckhouston]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Well, the system has been in place since the salary cap era began. Nothing new.

And there can be good players plucked with these picks. Among the notable compensatory selections are Hines Ward, Marques Colston, Larry Allen, and this QB that New England picked up after the regular portion of the 6th round in 2000. Tom Brady, I believe, is his name.

I understand the system, guess my point is that it is flawed.

[Dutchrudder]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

I understand the system, guess my point is that it is flawed.

It's the NFL where sucking is rewarded with the top draft picks, small market teams are kept competitive with the salary cap/revenue sharing and teams that do well are precluded from signing free agents. Comp picks are just another way to help keep up the parity in the league. The NFL is socialism at its finest, if you want a capitalistic sport, follow the EPL. That's a real dog-eat-dog league.

[SCOTTexans]

According to NFL Network's Jason La Canfora, Jason Allens contract is for two years and $8.2 million.

Any idea on how much this would help the picks? or if it does? its over my head

[Insideop]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Of course, the Texans would need to have a net 3 loss to be awarded these picks.

Mario (3rd) - absolutely
Brisiel (5th) - I think this is correct, seeing that the Vikings received a 5th after losing Matt Birk (whose contract averaged $ 4 million/year) to the Ravens.
Jason Allen (6/7th) - Haven't seen what Allen signed for. I think he will need to sign a contract that averages more than $2 million/year to get the pick in the 6th round.

So if we lose Rackers what do you think we'll get for him? My guess is somewhere between a 4th and a 6th. He had a pretty good year as far as kickers go, but probably not good enough for a 4th. I hope they sign him though. We don't need another hole to fill in the draft, and I doubt Kubes wants to rely on a rookie kicker, even if he came from A&M.

[ArlingtonTexan]

Originally Posted by SCOTTexans

According to NFL Network's Jason La Canfora, Jason Allens contract is for two years and $8.2 million.

Any idea on how much this would help the picks? or if it does? its over my head

see posts around 28-32 in this thread

[SCOTTexans]

Originally Posted by ArlingtonTexan

see posts around 28-32 in this thread

Yea i read it after the Post.... didnt realize i was a day behind the times

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by ArlingtonTexan

Curent qualifying loses 3
no qualify signing yet

running total 3 compensatory picks.

With the Dreessen defection, the Texans are now +4 in compensatory picks.

[mussop]

I wish we were getti g these picks this year.

[Maddict5]

Originally Posted by mussop

I wish we were getti g these picks this year.

you would think that would be the fairest way for teams who've lost FA's to replenish immediately...esp since theres little to none qualifying guys signed after the draft(and in the rare cases where there are, those can be pushed to next yrs draft)

[ArlingtonTexan]

Originally Posted by Maddict5

you would think that would be the fairest way for teams who've lost FA's to replenish immediately...esp since theres little to none qualifying guys signed after the draft(and in the rare cases where there are, those can be pushed to next yrs draft)

Especially when the largest part of the "secret" formula is the average salary of the contract. Playing time and wards matter, but sems to be less than pure contract value. Never have seen a "why" as to the year wait.

Realistically, most late 3rds don't provide immedaite returns, so you are looking 2014-15 before getting impact, if at all from the compensatory picks.

[Lucky]

Rotoworld has Dreessen signing a three-year, $8.5 million contract. My best guess for where the Texans compensatory picks would land (as of now):

3rd round - Mario
5th Round - Allen
5th Round - Briesel
6th Round - Dreessen

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Rotoworld has Dreessen signing a three-year, $8.5 million contract. My best guess for where the Texans compensatory picks would land (as of now):

3rd round - Mario
5th Round - Allen
5th Round - Briesel
6th Round - Dreessen

Lucky, what is the deadline for free agency as far as signings that impact draft pick compensations for the 2013 draft? Does that make sense? IN other words, at what point in the 2012 season would a signing be too late to figure into the computations?

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Lucky, what is the deadline for free agency as far as signings that impact draft pick compensations for the 2013 draft? Does that make sense? IN other words, at what point in the 2012 season would a signing be too late to figure into the computations?

Qualifying free agents would have to sign before the free agency period ends, which according to this link is July 22.

[Hottoddie]

Not that the Texans will do this, but my thinking is if the Texans are fairly confident in what rounds they should receive comp. picks in they could then bundle next year's pick (non comp. pick) in a trade this year to move up.

For example, if we're sure we're going to get a 3rd for Mario next year, then we could add our regular 3rd next year to a deal to move up in this year's draft. Of course, there is no guarantee of the pick, but history can give a pretty good indicator of what should happen.

My other train of thought is that this would be a good year to trade out of the 1st for a 3rd this year & 1st next year much like New England has been doing for the last few years. Once the initial hit is taken you can then keep doing it & load up on 2nd & 3rd round talent for years. Of course, you do have to find willing trade partners. But, if New England can do it why can't we?

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by Hottoddie

For example, if we're sure we're going to get a 3rd for Mario next year, then we could add our regular 3rd next year to a deal to move up in this year's draft. Of course, there is no guarantee of the pick, but history can give a pretty good indicator of what should happen.

My other train of thought is that this would be a good year to trade out of the 1st for a 3rd this year & 1st next year much like New England has been doing for the last few years.

First, trading a pick a year ahead is generally give a -1 round value. So trading a 2013 3rd round pick is akin in value to trading a 2012 4th round pick. You're not moving up very much in the 1st round with a 4th round pick (maybe 2 or 3 spots). However, that 2013 3rd round pick could possibly get a 2012 4th round pick, if there's a player you really like and there's a team that's willing to deal.

I don't like the Texans giving up picks in this draft for a future draft. One, this team will need players now after all of the free agent losses. Two, the Texans will already have possibly 11 picks in the 2013 draft. It's difficult to imagine a contending team needing more than 11 picks. Three, this team needs to win now. Those extra picks in 2013 won't help in that regard.

[aussie_texan]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Rotoworld has Dreessen signing a three-year, $8.5 million contract. My best guess for where the Texans compensatory picks would land (as of now):

3rd round - Mario
5th Round - Allen
5th Round - Briesel
6th Round - Dreessen

wow next years draft could be amazing.
draftniks and mockers are gonna have a field day with this

[mussop]

Originally Posted by ArlingtonTexan

Especially when the largest part of the "secret" formula is the average salary of the contract. Playing time and wards matter, but sems to be less than pure contract value. Never have seen a "why" as to the year wait.

Realistically, most late 3rds don't provide immedaite returns, so you are looking 2014-15 before getting impact, if at all from the compensatory picks.

According to McClain performance with new team is part of the formula. He says we should all hope these players do well. The better they do the better compensation we will get.

Who knows if this is true or not.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by mussop

The better they do the better compensation we will get.

Who knows if this is true or not.

I think production has more influence on how the picks are slotted within the round, while the actual round is dictated by contract. We'll know for sure about this time next year.