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Old 03-14-2012   #21
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I believe we've got $5M to sign our draftees? So that's 38 players that cost us $115M..... doesn't make me feel any better.

We only had to get the top 51 players on our roster below the salary cap before 3pm yesterday. Any other cap clearance could be done at any time.
LZ was saying they have about 6.5 m I think . They were talking about the Texans over paying to keep their guys because they weren't back filling with cheaper talent via draft choices . They said what we all know Amobi , Moulden , Caldwell , JJ , Kareem , Brandon Harris , and some more haven't panned out .

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You can only get a max of 4 compensatory picks in 1 year, regardless of how many you could qualify for. I would guess we could get:

3rd for Mario
4/5th for Myers
5th for Brisiel
and maybe a 6/7th for Rackers

In any case, counting on compensatory picks is no way to run a franchise...



/Winston, Lienart, Vickers, etc do not qualify for comp picks.
And this presumes we have a net loss of qualifying free agents. If the Texans lose say 5 guys, but sign 5 or more qualifying free agents, there is zero compensation. Between now and next April you and the handful others, who understand the compensatory process will to have explain this stuff about a billion times.
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Interesting... so that list is without our FA last year and without the rookies. So 90 million plus Jojo, Manning and 5 Million for our rookies - let`s round up and say 20 million for a total of 110 million.

Now Mario gets off our books - that 15 millions less. Winston gets off our books, that`s 5 million less. Leinart gets off the books, thats 3 million less. Vickers gets off the books, thats 1 million less. Andre restructured his contract thats about 6 million less. For a total of 30 million. So now we are at 80 million.

The Foster extension should cost us about 6 million - our rookies about 5 million. So now we should be at 91 million. Plus probably some contracts will get a little raise this season.

But still, we should be around 20 million under the cap AFTER the rookie signings. So is all this maneuvering just to get Mario and Myers, or are we really that bad up there with some idiotic high pay raises?
It really does not take that large of pay raises (in NFL not regular guy terms) to eat up 20 million dollars between 38 players... half a million average per guy.
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But still, we should be around 20 million under the cap AFTER the rookie signings. So is all this maneuvering just to get Mario and Myers, or are we really that bad up there with some idiotic high pay raises?
Word is, this "World Class Organization" hasn't even spoke with Myers about any negotiations.
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It was posted on this board..... somebody's tweet.
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Jerome Solomon tweeted it.


The same guy that said we were cutting Demeco yesterday. If that dude ever got any news right it would be the first time ever.
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Didn't Profootballweekly report us and the titanics are negotiating with Myers.
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Word is, this "World Class Organization" hasn't even spoke with Myers about any negotiations.
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I heard on the radio that Myers said his agent was in discussions with the Texans, but he wouldn't consider it negotiations.
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What do we know?

We know that Mario & 11 other UFAs came off our roster yesterday at 3:00pm CST.

We know that we cut Winston ($5.5M), Leinart ($3M), & Vickers ($1M ??) to get under the cap.

So we've got 38 players (53-12(free agents)-3(cap cuts)= 38) on our roster that cost us roughly $120M

WTF?

Everything was perfectly obvious to me until you asked this question. Now ...I don't know?
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The same guy that said we were cutting Demeco yesterday. If that dude ever got any news right it would be the first time ever.
That was a joke. Jerome Solomon didn't say anything about Myers, nor did he say anything about JJ or Demeco getting cut. A poster started that thread an attributed the content to JS, which turns out to be false.
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I heard on the radio that Myers said his agent was in discussions with the Texans, but he wouldn't consider it negotiations.
And that was generated by a Tweet. May have been Paul Kuharsky but I can't remember.
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Everything was perfectly obvious to me until you asked this question. Now ...I don't know?
Agreed with the above... that math would not make sense at all... I feel as though we may be missing something chaps.
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Us having major cap issues comes no surprise to me and it shouldn't be to most of you who have seen the type of contracts McNair gives out. He has been known to pay his players very well but you can only pay so much before it comes back to haunt you. Our best players are some of the highest paid in the league at their respected positions.
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Well yeah - so that all makes sense... but why was Winston cut before Jones? Butler might be a serviceable backup - but so might Jean be. In my mind we have more serviceable guys at WR that at the O-Line and Jones contract is way worse than Winstons was. So that makes no sense to me.

And I don`t know much about the cap - but how come we get Marios big contract off the books as well as some other small contracts, get AJ to restructure his contract and are still in no position to do anything? Were we way over this years cap in last (uncapped) year? Did we have several contracts that just blew up this year? In my amateurish calculations we should`ve saved somewhere between 20 and 35 million this year with only Fosters new contract and the rookies as new added salaries. This doesn`t make sense to me.
Contracts were set prior to 2011 NFL season. If we were under cap (and we had to be), we remained under until we started to sign folks like Foster and the LS. We still have until a certain date to meet 2012 cap limits. Not sure I agree on your statement of JJ contract being worse except him not earning it. It seems that barring them just not liking Winston (someone mentioned he was union rep for Texans), it was simply a cap savings of $4.2 or 4.5m. Also, Butler has been in system much longer than Jean & Jean makes peanuts compared to Winston.

Finally, I believe Gary Kubiak values JJ differently than we do.
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Is wasn't "league sources say", it was "Myers says..."
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http://www.sportscity.com/NFL/Houston-Texans-Salaries

Here's a look at last years payroll .

They spend around 20 million on Daniels , Demeco , Cody , and Walter . Kareem and Ward make above average also .
From that list, how many of those guys restructured their contracts last off season and would that result in their numbers going up this year?
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