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Old 03-14-2012   #1
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Default Isn't it obvious what's going on?

A lot of folks are ticked off and worried about why we haven't seen a signing or a cutting of Jacoby Jones. I thought it was pretty clear:

1. Myers and Brisel are a priority. If we can sign either/both, we will and will cut Jacoby and perhaps others when we come to terms with Myers/Brisel and know how much money is needed.

2. If Myers and/or Brisel leave, we may not want to cut Jacoby. We will need to spend a 1st, 2nd or 3rd round pick on O-Line, not WR. It becomes a need situation. Jacoby may be asked to restructure his contract, but we may want to keep him because we have limited resources.

3. If we sign Myers/Brisel, the opposite is true. We would then know whether we would need to reserve a 1st, 2nd or 3rd round pick for O-Line, and could feel more freedome to cut Jacoby with the knowledge we have a pick available to use for WR.

Make no mistake about it, O-Line is waaay more important than WR3. It's not even close, no matter how much we can't stand jacoby.
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A lot of folks are ticked off and worried about why we haven't seen a signing or a cutting of Jacoby Jones. I thought it was pretty clear:

1. Myers and Brisel are a priority. If we can sign either/both, we will and will cut Jacoby and perhaps others when we come to terms with Myers/Brisel and know how much money is needed.

2. If Myers and/or Brisel leave, we may not want to cut Jacoby. We will need to spend a 1st, 2nd or 3rd round pick on O-Line, not WR. It becomes a need situation. Jacoby may be asked to restructure his contract, but we may want to keep him because we have limited resources.

3. If we sign Myers/Brisel, the opposite is true. We would then know whether we would need to reserve a 1st, 2nd or 3rd round pick for O-Line, and could feel more freedome to cut Jacoby with the knowledge we have a pick available to use for WR.

Make no mistake about it, O-Line is waaay more important than WR3. It's not even close, no matter how much we can't stand jacoby.
Well yeah - so that all makes sense... but why was Winston cut before Jones? Butler might be a serviceable backup - but so might Jean be. In my mind we have more serviceable guys at WR that at the O-Line and Jones contract is way worse than Winstons was. So that makes no sense to me.

And I don`t know much about the cap - but how come we get Marios big contract off the books as well as some other small contracts, get AJ to restructure his contract and are still in no position to do anything? Were we way over this years cap in last (uncapped) year? Did we have several contracts that just blew up this year? In my amateurish calculations we should`ve saved somewhere between 20 and 35 million this year with only Fosters new contract and the rookies as new added salaries. This doesn`t make sense to me.
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. . so what is it that's supposed to be obvious again?
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Default Re: Isn't it obvious what's going on?

They may wait through training camp before cutting Jackoff Jones, as his cap savings is not that much and there is no clear replacement as there is with Winston/Butler.
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Default Re: Isn't it obvious what's going on?

This isn't what I would call "obvious" but it appears from the actions that they are taking, is they weren't making moves to free up cap money in order to sign Mario, Myers, and whoever else.

They were making these moves to get underneath the cap PERIOD!! It reflects just how dire their cap situation is. As to why this player instead of that player, I think it was just cap numbers.
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They may wait through training camp before cutting Jackoff Jones, as his cap savings is not that much and there is no clear replacement as there is with Winston/Butler.
I think you are incorrect. Jackoff Jones would imply that his hands are sticky, which they certainly are not.
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I think you are incorrect. Jackoff Jones would imply that his hands are sticky, which they certainly are not.
Maybe he is implying that Jackoff Jones's hands are covered in Astroglide.
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Default Re: Isn't it obvious what's going on?

It's not obvious to me what is going on.

Either our team management is so bad they can't even project from one year to the next our CAP position, OR, they are simply getting as far under the cap as possible to make a deal that isn't public yet.
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I can go ahead and confirm that our plan is not obvious to me.
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Default Re: Isn't it obvious what's going on?

Or they think next year's draft is the deepest one in 10 years and they are trying to acquire 5 or 6 compensatory picks. Yeah, that's it. Looking forward to late April of 2013 when everything that has happened this week will all make sense.
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Default Re: Isn't it obvious what's going on?

What do we know?

We know that Mario & 11 other UFAs came off our roster yesterday at 3:00pm CST.

We know that we cut Winston ($5.5M), Leinart ($3M), & Vickers ($1M ??) to get under the cap.

So we've got 38 players (53-12(free agents)-3(cap cuts)= 38) on our roster that cost us roughly $120M

WTF?
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What do we know?

We know that Mario & 11 other UFAs came off our roster yesterday at 3:00pm CST.

We know that we cut Winston ($5.5M), Leinart ($3M), & Vickers ($1M ??) to get under the cap.

So we've got 38 players (53-12(free agents)-3(cap cuts)= 38) on our roster that cost us roughly $120M

WTF?
I'm sure they are planning to leave cap room to sign our new 2012 draftees. Or at least I hope so.
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http://www.sportscity.com/NFL/Houston-Texans-Salaries

Here's a look at last years payroll .

They spend around 20 million on Daniels , Demeco , Cody , and Walter . Kareem and Ward make above average also .
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I'm sure they are planning to leave cap room to sign our new 2012 draftees. Or at least I hope so.
I believe we've got $5M to sign our draftees? So that's 38 players that cost us $115M..... doesn't make me feel any better.

We only had to get the top 51 players on our roster below the salary cap before 3pm yesterday. Any other cap clearance could be done at any time.
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Or they think next year's draft is the deepest one in 10 years and they are trying to acquire 5 or 6 compensatory picks. Yeah, that's it. Looking forward to late April of 2013 when everything that has happened this week will all make sense.
You can only get a max of 4 compensatory picks in 1 year, regardless of how many you could qualify for. I would guess we could get:

3rd for Mario
4/5th for Myers
5th for Brisiel
and maybe a 6/7th for Rackers

In any case, counting on compensatory picks is no way to run a franchise...



/Winston, Lienart, Vickers, etc do not qualify for comp picks.
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http://www.sportscity.com/NFL/Houston-Texans-Salaries

Here's a look at last years payroll .

They spend around 20 million on Daniels , Demeco , Cody , and Walter . Kareem and Ward make above average also .

Where's everyone else?? There are only 33 players listed...
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Well yeah - so that all makes sense... but why was Winston cut before Jones? Butler might be a serviceable backup - but so might Jean be. In my mind we have more serviceable guys at WR that at the O-Line and Jones contract is way worse than Winstons was. So that makes no sense to me.

And I don`t know much about the cap - but how come we get Marios big contract off the books as well as some other small contracts, get AJ to restructure his contract and are still in no position to do anything? Were we way over this years cap in last (uncapped) year? Did we have several contracts that just blew up this year? In my amateurish calculations we should`ve saved somewhere between 20 and 35 million this year with only Fosters new contract and the rookies as new added salaries. This doesn`t make sense to me.

We got Mario off the books so we could give Arian a pay raise.
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Obvious post is not obvious.
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Here's a look at last years payroll .

They spend around 20 million on Daniels , Demeco , Cody , and Walter . Kareem and Ward make above average also .
Interesting... so that list is without our FA last year and without the rookies. So 90 million plus Jojo, Manning and 5 Million for our rookies - let`s round up and say 20 million for a total of 110 million.

Now Mario gets off our books - that 15 millions less. Winston gets off our books, that`s 5 million less. Leinart gets off the books, thats 3 million less. Vickers gets off the books, thats 1 million less. Andre restructured his contract thats about 6 million less. For a total of 30 million. So now we are at 80 million.

The Foster extension should cost us about 6 million - our rookies about 5 million. So now we should be at 91 million. Plus probably some contracts will get a little raise this season.

But still, we should be around 20 million under the cap AFTER the rookie signings. So is all this maneuvering just to get Mario and Myers, or are we really that bad up there with some idiotic high pay raises?
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