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Old 03-13-2012   #21
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Well i'm going to sleep, and hopefully Rick smith will wake up tomorrow with his hang over from the still celebrating from the play-offs and so. "oh damn free agency ? What the hell........"

And then and only then i might be a little more content, but as of now this is the lowest i have felt since the middle of our 2-14 season.
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If Myers does leave I would pretty much rather him sign with any other team than the freaking Titans.
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If Myers does leave I would pretty much rather him sign with any other team than the freaking Titans.
Ehh, I'll enjoy watching Antonio eat his lunch on 3rd down. He's an excellent center for us but he's not going to excel with the Titans. Hello, Shelley Smith... Get ready for greatness!!

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I said this a couple of times already today but La Confora said around 1 pm that we were sitting at 650,000 under the salary cap. If he is correct, than we really don't have any other options but to let guys go. The fact that we are extremely quiet on a busy day makes me believe there is some truth to us being extremely cash strapped in cap space. It's the bed we made
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I said this a couple of times already today but La Confora said around 1 pm that we were sitting at 650,000 under the salary cap. If he is correct, than we really don't have any other options but to let guys go. The fact that we are extremely quiet on a busy day makes me believe there is some truth to us being extremely cash strapped in cap space. It's the bed we made
He's wrong! I've crunched the numbers. There is no way that is correct. We are currently close to $30 million under the cap... Believe it!
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I'm in a wait and see mode. I don't necessarily like the cuts we've made so far, but I have no control over it either.
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He's wrong! I've crunched the numbers. There is no way that is correct. We are currently close to $30 million under the cap... Believe it!
honest question bud, how can there be so much of a swing between the numbers? i dont think either are exactly correct, but i believe your number to be much closer than la confora's regurgitation. all offseason folks worked on the known numbers and gave us a 5-10mil under the cap number (not counting the extra 1.6 from dallas/washington), which after cuts and changes and foster make your 30mil appear right on. are you and the general public missing a poison pill or something?
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He's wrong! I've crunched the numbers. There is no way that is correct. We are currently close to $30 million under the cap... Believe it!
I hope your right but the Eric Winston cut doesn't make any sense if that's the case. What's the point of cutting him yesterday? Even if he doesn't deserve that contract, why not wait and hang on to him with so much uncertainty surrounding 2/5th of your O-line? If you end up reaching an agreement with Myers, then you can cut Winston if you truly need the extra cap space. Having 25 million or whatever already in cap space then extending it by cutting Winston seems to be overkill, makes more sense to cut as you sign. I have also seen a couple of sites that say we are on the hook for close to 8 million in dead money this year, don't know if that's accurate either but that's out there.

http://torotimes.com/2012/02/12/hous...oaches-part-1/

That site believes we were to have 25 million in cap space back in Feb. so maybe you are right, but the Winston cut seemed like a move to get under
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lots of cuts will be made leading up to training camp. probably want to bring in some veterans that have lots of playoff experience to help our young team out
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honest question bud, how can there be so much of a swing between the numbers? i dont think either are exactly correct, but i believe your number to be much closer than la confora's regurgitation. all offseason folks worked on the known numbers and gave us a 5-10mil under the cap number (not counting the extra 1.6 from dallas/washington), which after cuts and changes and foster make your 30mil appear right on. are you and the general public missing a poison pill or something?
I'm worried about a poison pill but I see no indications of one:

LaConfora is focused on 32 teams... I'm focused on one. If you didn't read the article, here's my theory substantiated by information and common sense:

2011 cap was about $120 million. We were right up against but not over it. Any cuts the Texan made before the 2011 season, the cap hits were distributed evenly between 2011 and 2012 or were all taken in 2011... There is no mechanism to cut a player before the 2011 season and push the entire cap penalty forward to the next season...

Looking at all the salary increases heading into 2012 (Cushing, Brown, Schaub, Ryans, and Foster's $8 million) the team would add abut $11 million to the cap.

Subtract Mario's $15 million to $18 million and further subtract the other 13 free agent contracts (Myers, Biscuit, Allen, Delhomme, etc...), I conservatively figure a $10 million cap subtractions. Beyond that, the Texans restructed AJ for a savings of at least $4 million and cut Winston, Vickers, and Leinart for a savings of at least $9 million... Once you add all the savings up ($34 million) and subtract the ($11 million) in additions... that's $23 million below the cap. From that, figure the $1.6 million gift from the Skins/Boys, the fact that Manning's deal apparently decreased for 2012, Cody's deal decreased, and Mario's deal was probably for more than $15 million.... What other conclusion can be drawn?
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Well i'm going to sleep, and hopefully Rick smith will wake up tomorrow with his hang over from the still celebrating from the play-offs and so. "oh damn free agency ? What the hell........"

And then and only then i might be a little more content, but as of now this is the lowest i have felt since the middle of our 2-14 season.

Calm down, dude. It's day ONE...ONE of Free Agency. In fact, the period has only been open for TEN HOURS.

For the love of God, wait for everything to shake out before declaring that this is the lowest you've felt since 2006. That's a freakin' joke of a feeling.
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What other conclusion can be drawn?
the billion dollar question. not only have we allowed our under 30 studs to hit free agency, we've released (or "plan to") a handful of starters within an improving team. either the known cap info is FUBAR, or we're about to swing and miss towards a grand slam, or we went pathetically "all in" with joseph and manning last year.
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Let's also remember the free agency decisions the team has to make next year. If I remember correctly, Arian is just the start of a series of resigning our younger guns. I hope these cuts yield a major signing this season, but the team could be swallowing the bitter pill now for decisions they have to make a year from now. Better to be proactive than be in desperation mode in a season.

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the billion dollar question. not only have we allowed our under 30 studs to hit free agency, we've released (or "plan to") a handful of starters within an improving team. either the known cap info is FUBAR, or we're about to swing and miss towards a grand slam, or we went pathetically "all in" with joseph and manning last year.

kubiak catches hell for most of these choices (somewhat justified for picking smith), but unless we get a major surprise we're about to get a clear picture of why we can acquire talent but doing so is expensive and taking a very long time. if we're in a dump/rebuilding year, daniel snyder would laugh ... how do you screw up so many contracts of a team that tops out at 9-7 - when all are your own draft picks.

It can't be. The numbers don't add up. The Texans are cutting the bait it wants to. Then, the media is freaking out and confusing numbers... For instance, it is quoting salary cap numbers that include Mario even though he is a free agent. There is no way the Texans are not at least $25 million under right now. Either McNair has decided to pocket some cash or the Texans are waiting out this market and are going to get some bargains in a few days... I think the latter.
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It can't be. The numbers don't add up. The Texans are cutting the bait it wants to. Then, the media is freaking out and confusing numbers... For instance, it is quoting salary cap numbers that include Mario even though he is a free agent. There is no way the Texans are not at least $25 million under right now. Either McNair has decided to pocket some cash or the Texans are waiting out this market and are going to get some bargains in a few days... I think the latter.
nothing on this planet could convince me that mcnair is sitting on any spare funds, not when so close to changing his last name to midas with a winner ... so where is this money going?

is this really what happens when adam schefter leaves the nfl network and everyone quotes blogs for their scoops? this ignorance is probably the discrepancy we're seeing.
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i understand that, but explain winston. The guy was not that big of a hit on the cap. I know a lot of people didnt like him, but outside of us drafting a guy who in the hell is going to replace him.

UNLESS they want to get a guy who can protect the QBs blind side, hence Yates in a season or 2. i dunno.

For Matt Leinart lefty option? However, there were enough times that Winston whiffed and almost got our right-handed QBs killed.
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Im not getting pissed about it, but being left in the dark about our cap situation and ability or lack thereof to sign FA's or even retain our FA's is a little frustrating.
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Calm down, dude. It's day ONE...ONE of Free Agency. In fact, the period has only been open for TEN HOURS.

For the love of God, wait for everything to shake out before declaring that this is the lowest you've felt since 2006. That's a freakin' joke of a feeling.
I think last years rapid fire free agency period spoiled us.
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